The Cogiati (combined gender identity and transsexuality inventory) test

[rhonda13000]

LOL     I don't even know how to drive, so how am I supposed to respond to such questions? 

tink

Tink, having experienced the drivers in your neck of the woods, I can understand not knowing how to drive.  Bill Cosby was right.  ROFL

Beverly

[thoughtfully]

You're OK, Bev. 

[Kate]

it doesnt test if your a woman or not, it tests how ->-bleeped-<- you are

There's some truth to that actually, as the main difference between my two attempts is I'm now on HRT and living fulltime.

It really is kinda silly, as although I can't reverse-park into a space if my life depended on it, I can hit the apex of a corner at 100mph while simultaneously braking, clutching, and downshifting... and pondering what to make for dinner

Or at least I *could*, lol... haven't tried it since HRT. Haven't CARED to try it either, curiously...

~Kate~

[Keira]

Oh Kate, your losing all your crazy driving skills, gotta practice those, never know when you'll need them  . A 100mph turn, hope you were on a racetrack when you did that!!

[Kate]

Oh Kate, your losing all your crazy driving skills, gotta practice those, never know when you'll need them  . A 100mph turn, hope you were on a racetrack when you did that!!

ROFL, I guess I shoulda clarified that, lol...

Yes, at place called "Pocono Raceway" here in Pennsylvania, and a *beautiful* road course called "Lime Rock Park" nestled in a ethereal, wooded valley up in Connecticut.

Kidding aside though, not long after I started HRT I noticed that I was suddenly getting incredible gas milage (for my car anyway). I couldn't figure out why, as nothing had changed with the car... then I realized *I* had changed. My driving habits went from being very aggressive, basically treating every commute like a race... to being VERY mellow and smooth, treating every commute like a graceful dance.

The energy the world could save if everyone took estrogen... it boggles the mind

~Kate~

[rhonda13000]

it doesnt test if your a woman or not, it tests how ->-bleeped-<- you are

There's some truth to that actually, as the main difference between my two attempts is I'm now on HRT and living fulltime.

It really is kinda silly, as although I can't reverse-park into a space if my life depended on it, I can hit the apex of a corner at 100mph while simultaneously braking, clutching, and downshifting... and pondering what to make for dinner

Or at least I *could*, lol... haven't tried it since HRT. Haven't CARED to try it either, curiously...

~Kate~

It's funny though and forgive me if this is too skewed from the central theme, but one of the changes noted after the onset of transition and in particular [I think], was that the dexterity of my left hand improved markedly [I am right-handed} and I developed a habit of twirling a switchblade rapidly through the fingers of the left hand.

But a number of months after that, I developed a reticence to doing it and I switched to twirling a favorite pen through the fingers of the left hand, instead.

I became disinclined to play with a switchblade like that. I look back upon that now, with distaste.

That's a definite improvement.

Spatial ability is undiminished and math skill has actually improved.

Yup friends, the COGIATI is truly the 'acid test' for the determination of TS. 

Oh Kate, your losing all your crazy driving skills, gotta practice those, never know when you'll need them  . A 100mph turn, hope you were on a racetrack when you did that!!

ROFL, I guess I shoulda clarified that, lol...

Yes, at place called "Pocono Raceway" here in Pennsylvania, and a *beautiful* road course called "Lime Rock Park" nestled in a ethereal, wooded valley up in Connecticut.

Kidding aside though, not long after I started HRT I noticed that I was suddenly getting incredible gas milage (for my car anyway). I couldn't figure out why, as nothing had changed with the car... then I realized *I* had changed. My driving habits went from being very aggressive, basically treating every commute like a race... to being VERY mellow and smooth, treating every commute like a graceful dance.

The energy the world could save if everyone took estrogen... it boggles the mind

~Kate~

I noted the same effect.

Additionally, 'road rage' completely went extinct.

I was astounded when I first observed that effect.

[Chandra21]

I started boiling the test down to see which questions seemed important to me... a dozen... half-dozen... than only one stood out:

Q. You will never, ever be a woman. You must live the rest of your days entirely as a man, and you will only get more masculine with each passing year. There is no way out. What is your reaction?

A. (-10) I could cope. Not much different than now.
A. (-5) As long as I can still dress in private, I would survive.
A. (0) It would hurt, but I would carry on.
A. (5) I don't think I could bear that.
A. (10) I am better off dead.

This was the emotional crisis/realization that finally broke me and got me into therapy. The question wasn't hypothetical to me.

You know how that I answered this one, do you not, sweetie? 

And obviously, you do understand. yes?

"A Fate Worse Than Death" indeed. The horror induced simply by reading and considering the scenario posed by the very question.....

I believe that if you answer questions like that with "I am better off dead" it really doesn't matter what the rest of the questions on the quiz say. If your desire to transition is so great that you'd want to die if you couldn't achieve it you are a transexual, no questions asked.

The problem with test like this is they make assumptions. I consider myself a tomboy transsexual, as while I am extremely feminine I share many interests that boys do (videogames, dungeons and dragons, rock music, comics),  So the test is going to be a little biased for me. It assumes all girls like girly things, which is not really true at all. infact most <i>real</i> girls are less girly than me! (I must be the only person I know that thinks pink is an awesome color... and all of my friends are female)

[mavieenrose]

The problem with test like this is they make assumptions. I consider myself a tomboy transsexual, as while I am extremely feminine I share many interests that boys do (videogames, dungeons and dragons, rock music, comics),  So the test is going to be a little biased for me. It assumes all girls like girly things, which is not really true at all. infact most <i>real</i> girls are less girly than me! (I must be the only person I know that thinks pink is an awesome color... and all of my friends are female)

Yep, I agree.  Personally as a rule I don't wear much makeup and am often in jeans or trousers (just like the majority of my GG friends).  My clothes style doesn't have any impact on whether or not I'm female; I just am.

That said, I do like pink... 

MVER XXX

[ellen b]

+215 for me, though that seems low in my estimation!   

[Mattie]

I had to wonder about the question about the magic cure to make you match your birth sex.  My first reaction to that one was "It would certainly save me from a rather large amount of complications and if afterwards I didn't know the difference I guess it wouldn't be so bad." 

That one goes hand in hand with the getting manlier every year question.  Because if one decided to take the man pills, then becoming manlier would be great.

But that cure got me to thinking, I can do math and have all the spatial skills I need without having to compete for alpha status that men tend to do.  I wouldn't take the cure and thus becoming more and more masculine would be a living nightmare.  Would I be better off dead?  I don't know if I could answer that knowing there are people with far worse deformities who manage to find reasons to live.  So it would be completely awful, but I would almost feel obligated to find a way to carry on and do my bit to leave the world better than how I got it.

[Christo]

+130 to +389, cogiati category four (probable transsexual)

got 240. probable transsexual.  dunno. 

[Rachael]

i think its safe to say while the test is a nice little amusement for trans folk to take to see how they score. I think its outdated, and implractical, and leading, and suggestive.

It suggests one is male, and doesnt allow for ones internal gender to be all female, it petty much says women cant drive, have no mathamatical or spacial skills, its stuck in the 1950s with most of the UKs gender identity clinics thinking. this test wont tell anyone anything they dont know, other than dissapoint when they dont match an outdated steriotype. My housemate is studdying maths, and shes natally female, out of 10 of my close friends who drive, its the 4 guys who have had crashes, not the girls. and the pill question amused me.
I said id take it, because id rather not be a transexual, than be one. and if i could be happy as a boy, i would, truth is, im a girl, no pill exists, so its irelevant, but the question probably takes that as a non female commitment question. it also assumes the test taker is a crossdresser, or ->-bleeped-<-, with the  degree of leading sexual arousal feeling questions, and how clothes turn you on, and calls wearing womens clothes 'en femme' a CD term, and  calls it crossdressing...

[Kate]

it petty much says women cant drive, have no mathamatical or spacial skills, its stuck in the 1950s with most of the UKs gender identity clinics thinking. this test wont tell anyone anything they dont know, other than dissapoint when they dont match an outdated steriotype...

Oh yes, it's pretty silly. My wife is like some mathematical genius (it's scary, it really is), she *prefers* to back into parking spaces, she gets frustrated with ME because I can't grasp things she's trying to describe, she can tell you the stats and history of any football player current or past, she does most of the house maintenance, she's the "practical," low-maintenance one in the relationship...

And yet she's the cutest, most feminine and sweet girl I know. I feel like ogre next to her (no offense to the ogre's out there).

~Kate~

[Ms Bev]

Yes, Tink.  I took the test.  I found it just agreed with what I already knew.  My therapist says I'm a classical transsexual, even though she didn't give me a test.  I don't think I'm interested in taking the test myself again.....sort of like pressing on a sore toe to see if it still hurts?  What's the point?


Bev, a classic

[RebeccaFog]

+130 to +389, cogiati category four (probable transsexual)

got 240. probable transsexual.  dunno. 

Oh no, I hope you're not thinking of taking estrogen.   > > >

   I've found that test to be badly constructed since the first time I took it. Someday, I might go over it and try to make it at least sensible.

   I'll bet we could do that here. Go over each question and decide which ones to ditch and which ones to keep. Then go over the remaining questions and rephrase or reconstruct them so that it's not sexist or culturally biased. Then maybe come up with a few questions that would help round it out a little.

   What do you say, Gang. Should we go over to the old barn and start working? or should we just head toward the barn and then wander off in different directions?

[Rachael]

question 1: does your gender id match your body:
yes, -
no -
maybe -
after 3 pints -
if i feel like it -

Facny changing it?
yes -
no -
maybe -
after 6 pints -
if i feel like it -

what would you feel like if you lost your penis/vagina:
good -
bad -
dunno -
like a pint -
sorta miffed -

even this is better than the cogati...
god, i should write these things.... i could save lives with my indept diagnostic techniques...

[RebeccaFog]

Those are better questions

[gothique11]

My score was 595. I found the questions and answers, etc, to play on very old-fashioned stereotypes.

[Chandra21]

Have you ever suffered a migraine 'headache'?
   
I doubt it.
Maybe once.
Never.
I have had a few.
I have had more than a few over the years.

What do Migraines have to do with Transexuality anyways?

[Keira]

Women suffer from more migraines.
But, still I don't see what's the relevence either.
This test is soooo lame its not even funny, or maybe it is.
I bet my sister is an androgyne, half my gay friends are certain transexuals... (they would find that so funny).

[Rachael]

Uz has moar headaches, therefore you are a woman!


the number of hangovers ive had count?



surely more migranes is a physical female thing, rather than a mental one?