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Started by sundance, April 28, 2008, 05:00:20 PM

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Mari

There is this great website (one of my favourite TS-themed)
http://www.secondtype.com/ which covers some basic things for M2F
about beeing a mother, and also perspectives of transsexual pregnancy which
is in my opinion perfectly possible but I don't think it is anywhere near top in med
research.
She is no longer trapped by destiny
And ever since she let go of the past
She found her life was beginning
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Rowan_Danielle

Quote from: Rachael on May 09, 2008, 03:28:51 AM
why are we talking pregnant men here?

are you bunch not women? fine if so... but it confuses me....


Once transsexuals are socially accepted as the gender they are (not that far off tbh) the quite close ability to recreate a uterus for a natal female may be functional, and socially acceptable.

We got to take our stepping stones, nobody will accept a pregnant transwoman before they accept a transwoman.
R >:D

I'd say that we are talking about comparative physiology.  If a male could support the gestation of a baby to term, then a transwoman could do so too, and possibly with fewer hormonal risks to the baby.

Heck, such a pregnancy would be a lot less controversial than that transman pregnancy that has been in the news lately.  A pregnant transwoman, with full HRT, SRS and a functioning uterus would be almost invisible relatively speaking.

Now, how would one 'popularize' the concept of transsexuals so that more people would consider them to be 'normal'?
 
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JENNIFER

QuoteNow, how would one 'popularize' the concept of transsexuals so that more people would consider them to be 'normal'?

EDUCATION.  It simply comes down to this basic fact that unless the very young when they first gain awareness of themselves as a person, that they be introduced to the idea of a 'mixed' sex, third sex if you like that straddles male and female.  This would be a good starting point because the youngster will grow up not dulled to the thought that there are only the two accepted sexes but that there are people that are 'inbetweenies' that shall one day become a true boy or a true girl. 

My recent experiences during transition tell me that if youngsters knew of us and that we are not queer, do not look odd for the fun of it but that we are individuals just like they are with the same colour blood and that we eat the same foods and drink water just like they do, then the amount of ill informed comments and blatent abuse may never have happened.  Okay, kids are cruel beasts, especially among themselves and a teenager struggling with gender identity is likely to suffer most but is it not obvious to anyone that unless these kids are educated at the very earliest stage of schooling about gender, much in the same manner and intensity as Math, Language, Faith, Reasoning and Comprehension, we shall continue to struggle.

I also believe that we as Transsexuals (pure) must be responsible to ourselves.  This comment may excite some of you into a rage and this is an unintended consequence for which I apologise but I have seen many TS/TV folk in my locality that frankly need to be given a good talking to because they are doing themselves no good at all and many of us great harm in the eyes of the general public at large and the media in particular.   I only have to think back a couple of years when I was horrified by the media reaction to Pete Burns on Celebrity Big Brother,  his attempts at looking girly seriously harmed my own early days of transition because I switched to fulltime female at the time those images were prime time on television.

It must also be said here whilst in context and talking of these matters, the more of us that take the momentous and very scary decision to come forward and go fulltime as females ( males in the case of female to male, an equally tough proposition i am sure ), then it is likely that our presence within our local communities with diminish the shock and amusement factor in due course and we shall eventually be accepted as the humans that we are.  By that, may I offer an illustration?   I was born in Birmingham England in the late 1950's.  It was in an area of the city considered at that time to be exclusive and desirable to live in among the locality.  It was also at the time when we began a programme of immigration of workers from our then colonies in the West Indies and the Subcontinent of India.  When they arrived, the locals were  extremely hostile simply because they were different by dint of skin colour and the smells from their cooking.  Today, that area is now exclusively 'ethnic' and the foods are now a staple of English cuisine.  Given time and tolerace, and this is where I started, education, we shall become an accepted  part of our local commnities.    It has already become this way in Thailand, certain parts of India and if I am correct, most of Northern Europe, indeed there are now laws in force in UK that protect transsexual rights.

I started this post with a quote, I cannot quite figure out 'how to popularise' us.  I doubt it will happen soon, I fear Gays have problems even after many years of 'acceptance' and legal protection. However, once all of this has been tackled, then maybe the time will come when a transwoman might be offered all the medical assistance to get pregnant as any genetic female currently enjoys.  I hope and pray that I am alive when the day comes when one of us gives birth  :angel:
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Elincubus

Quote from: Rowan_Danielle on May 08, 2008, 03:58:24 PM
As an aside, I believe there was some research involving a male baboon and a pregnancy that lasted for four months, out of a potential seven, before it was terminated.  (Google: baboon  "male pregnancy")  Such an abdominal pregnancy occurs naturally in humans and usually fails.  It is extremely hazardous to the mother.  It showed that a fertlized egg doesn't care where it is as long as it has the needed nutrients.  (Having a uterus or equivalent is VERY helpful though.)

Well, I did my google search and this is what I found.
Apparantly such a abdominal pregnancy in males would have been biologically and technically possible for more than twenty years now...
This article contains lots of information on this topic, everybody who is interested in male pragnancy should take a look.  ;)


By the way, a couple of months ago I stumbled about a page of a guy who claimed he was the first pregnant man (he seemed to be in the forth month or something) with pictures to prove it, of course. The side seemd rather professional and had a huge section where people all over the world had stated very contrary opinions on this whole male pregnancy deal.
I couldn't really figure out if it was fake or not and now I seem to be unable to find it again. Has anybody here heard about it and knows if it's fake? ???

Posted on: May 11, 2008, 02:40:15 PM
Ha! Found it:
The First Human Male Pregnancy

Still don't know if it's fake or not, but it looks pretty convincing...
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tekla

FAKE, there is a million dollars for the first guy who could get pregnant.  So you would have heard.  Big time.

Of course as our feminist sisters once said, "if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."  I ain't seeing that either.

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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