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life span shortens after srs?

Started by rozenmaiden, May 15, 2008, 02:30:23 PM

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Laura Eva B

Quote from: Nichole on May 19, 2008, 09:55:31 AM
Ethinyl estradiol DOES increase the risks that Laura Eva mentioned. But, that could be reduced by using estradiol valerate or estradiol cyprionate.

If NHS doesn't allow those then I would think all of the risks with EE become very much a factor for Brit TSes.

EV and EC lower those risks considerably.
NHS London Gender Clinic (Charing Cross) tend to prescribe Estradiol Valerate these days and a variety of anti-androgens, but have their argued reasons for not prescribing progesterone (remember having a social drink with their Dr Leighton Seal and him half changing my mind about progesterone !).

Over 50 and they will try to persuade you to do "patches".

My endo was a student / classmate with Dr Seal and I see her outwith of any gender clinic set up, through direct GP referal as she works in my local hospital and has a dozen TS women in her books .... I funded my transition privately so never encountered the CHX clinic.

Sure my risk levels are low being 135 pounds, slim, fit, non smoker, OK cardiovascular hepatic renal health, but my endo is still concerned and I get a full six monthly screen.

Even E valerate or hemihydrate increase coagulation and stroke risk as surveys of HRT taking post-menopausal women have shown.  Increased breast cancer risk hardly figures for TS women.  But "natal" women are still advised to limit their use of HRT to just a few years !

So my philosophy is caution .... long term meds are not good news ....

Laura x
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jenny_

Quote from: Laura Eva B on May 19, 2008, 03:27:52 PM

Even E valerate or hemihydrate increase coagulation and stroke risk as surveys of HRT taking post-menopausal women have shown.  Increased breast cancer risk hardly figures for TS women.  But "natal" women are still advised to limit their use of HRT to just a few years !

So my philosophy is caution .... long term meds are not good news ....

Laura x


Sure DVT and stroke risk does increase loads, but you have to remember that the risks of DVT/stroke etc are small until you get to 40s/50s.  The research on long term usage is from post-menopausal women who are at increased risk prior to HRT anyway.

I'm starting HRT in my early 20s and i'm not too worried about the long term risks.  They're a hell of a lot less than if I didn't take them at all!  If we stay at a sensible weight, don't smoke, have regular blood tests, don't wait too long for srs etc then there isn't real evidence of big dangers, while young.
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Laura Eva B

Quote from: jenny_ on May 19, 2008, 04:36:07 PM
I'm starting HRT in my early 20s and i'm not too worried about the long term risks.  They're a hell of a lot less than if I didn't take them at all!  If we stay at a sensible weight, don't smoke, have regular blood tests, don't wait too long for srs etc then there isn't real evidence of big dangers, while young.
Jenny, you're lucky to be so young that mortality seems in the distant future ....

But for us at our "decrepit age" the grim reaper seems soo much more real !

I note that one of Zucker's arguments for "aversion / reparative therapy" for TS children is that its in a medic's duty to steer children away from a "program" that means lifelong and life-shortening medication, infertility, possible partner rejection .... one thing its hard to dissagree with !

Sure I expect to be taking HRT into my 60's even if at reduced levels no matter what my endo says ....

And accept the risk !

Laura x
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Keira


If you use estradiol (same as in GG's), the risk will not be higher than they would have.

You do have to realize that by the time you reach 50, you are more at risk of DVT from
multiple sources. But, DVT in GG's is generally not a conterindication (especially since they
take low doses anyway). If you use injection or patches, the risks are quasi zero
(not zero, but lost in the noise of everything else that can happen to you).

The reason they caution against using HRT in menopausal women is often, they start
using too late after they're E levels went down and damaged their circulatory system
(increasing risks), lifetime E exposure's impact on breast cancer rate (which
most of us don't have to worry about).

If you start E as soon as E levels go down at menopause, the only increased risks
for a GG is increased risk of breast cancer (since this risk is correlated with lifetime
exposure).



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LynnER

Yay for the evil needle I stick in my rump on a weekly basis LoL

Id say transition in general has probably greatly increased my lifespan... the further I go, the more healthy I become... I actually care now. Beats the heck out of booze, smokes, coke, beyond random eating and sleeping patterns... reckless living and working...  Hmmmm I think between the lifestyle changes and the needle in my rump I'm in pretty good shape for the future LoL
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jenny_

Quote from: Keira on May 19, 2008, 05:11:14 PM

If you use estradiol (same as in GG's), the risk will not be higher than they would have.


I'm confused about the risks of HRT cos everybody keeps saying different things (especially doctors!).
Is it the actual oestrogen (i'm british :P) that increases DVT risk, or is it the actual medication that does?
Its always confused me especially since estradiol is meant to be the same as in GGs ???
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Keira


The type of HRT med AND how it is administered is what modifies the DVT risk.

On the whole, the more time a estrogen like substance has to go through
the liver to get inactivated, the more by-products, some promoting DVT,
are produced (not to mention the liver is working harder).

Ethinil estradiol is very very hard to metabolise by the liver thus very small doses are very potent.
Premarin is not as hard to metabolise, but still much harder than estrogen biologically identical
to what GG's have.

Since going through the liver is what produces the DVT by products, avoiding it reduces the risks
(but much less than switching from EE to estradiol).

The safest, is thus are in order
- Estradiol patch, same thing as GG's directly in the bloodstream then gets metabolised by liver
- Estradiol gels, gets to the bloodstream then gets metabolised by liver
- EV injections, added risk from injection itself. Cleaving valeric acid need a trip to the liver (cleaving doesn't produce any by-product, so benign). Once cleaved, same estradiol as GG. Tendency to produce varying E blood levels with high peaks which is why often its not given to older people.
- Sublingual estradiol
    - Part is directly absorbed, other part goes through digestion (portal vein to liver, which produces a less potent by-product of estradiol, estriol).
- Sublingual estradiol valerate
- Oral Estradiol  (goes through digestion), most estradiol degraded to less powerfull estriol before getting to destination
- Oral Estradiol Valerate (Same as Estradiol), though tends to produce less peaks since the EV -> E transformation slows down distribution in the body.


There's also EC injections (estradiol cypionate), which are probably about as safe as oral estradiol because the EC molecule is harder to process by the body than the EV molecule.

ethinil estradiol, conjugated estrogens and premarin are all riskier than any of these.

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