"You guys"

[NicholeW.]

Whatcha mean? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or... ?

I meant pretty much exactly what I said. You're fortunate. You haven't experienced the pain that some have.

N~

[Shana A]

I'm sure that's right. I imagine they'd make it a point of 'hyper-consciously' referring to you as "Sir." People enjoy pointing out that they 'know' 'what' someone else "really is."   >

I've gotten that a few times, and absolutely hate it. It's very condescending! 

Z

[Lisbeth]

I mean sure, if someone said, "thank you SIR" to me, sure... I'd be hurt. That's different. People just don't say that to women.

Um... That happened to me a couple of times in my early years.  Ya, it hurt, but I had to let it roll off my back.

[JonasCarminis]

this might be a little different since im going the other direction... but IME you guys has always been genderless.  an dude to me is usually about 75% male.  like "dude wtf!" is genderless.  lol  but "this dude was chattin' me up" is most definitely male.  even when i was "female" you guys and dude never really bothered me.

Posted on: June 05, 2008, 02:06:54 PMthis might be a little different since im going the other direction... but IME you guys has always been genderless.  an dude to me is usually about 75% male.  like "dude wtf!" is genderless.  lol  but "this dude was chattin' me up" is most definitely male.  even when i was "female" you guys and dude never really bothered me.

[Lokaeign]

That "Sir" thing is atrocious.  What kind of prat needs to do that? 

I tend to use "dude" or "dudes" if I know the group and know they won't be put out.  I'm fairly careful about when I'll use "dudes" or "guys" though--I know some women object to it as a holdover from the days when the masculine pronoun was used as the default, and feel that they're being disappeared by "guys."  There's also the issue of potentially distressing someone, either because she's a natal woman who happens to have some supposedly "masculine" features, or she's someone who's transtitioning/transitioned, or for whatever reason.  If in doubt, I'll say "peeps" or "folks."

[Seshatneferw]

So maybe we should just start pushing for a global adoption of good ol' "y'all".   

Or a resurrection of the second person singular. Thou canst set an example!

  Nfr

[Shana A]

Or a resurrection of the second person singular. Thou canst set an example!

  Nfr

I like the way thee thinkest 

Z

[Ell]

Or a resurrection of the second person singular. Thou canst set an example!

  Nfr

I like the way thee thinkest 

Z

if this catches on, Lisbeff, i'm going to beat thine a**

-Ellie

[Rachael]

dudes... dudettes....

'guys' is a plural for people.... when a group of natal females do it to a group of natal females (inc me that they dont know) i dont think thier calling themselves men do you?

get over yourselves... people arnt all out to get you....


Paranoia is only justified if they really are after you
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[Nero]

Yep 'you guys' is completely genderless as is 'dude'. Very common for females to address all female groups this way.

[Rachael]

Its funny really... Transsexuals make a mountain out of a mole hill in so many cases... ive NEVER heard a natal female protest about someone refering to the group they are in as 'you guys' EVER... and ive heard groups called that a lot. and done a lot of calling.

Transwomen have a special 'moaning' gene i think.
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[Godot]

Ja I agree "you guys" is mostly genderless now. It doesn't bother me (since I try to be a guy anyway) when people say "you guys" or "dude" it kind of makes me feel better. Yesterday though my mom took me to get my license and I had to dress all "femenine" looking for the license picture but we couldn't get the license yesterday but we stopped at wal-mart and our car broke down and some guy walked by and asked us for help but he worded as "do you ladies need any help?" at the time I thought "yah get this piece of crap car started!" but in the back of my mind I thought "oh God he called us "ladies" thanks for massaging my ego dude" but oh well..I wasn't trying to pass as male that day anyway since I had to get dressed for the license picture.[/color]

[Lisbeth]

if this catches on, Lisbeff, i'm going to beat thine a**

-Ellie

Thinkest thou so?  Kennst where I have hidden mine crop?

[gina]

I also dont see any problem with this, If I only had a dollar every time I heard this saying used amongst a group Of GG I would have a nice bankroll...like already said...its very common.

gina

[J.T.]

Yeah, "Guys" and "Dude" are both genderless now.  I also use "Man" a lot too.

[Shana A]

if this catches on, Lisbeff, i'm going to beat thine a**

-Ellie

Thinkest thou so?  Kennst where I have hidden mine crop?
[/quote]

Me thinkest this wouldst be fun to watch... pray tell, what dost thou thinkest?   

<z reaches for popcorn>  >

Z

[Lisbeth]

Yeah, "Guys" and "Dude" are both genderless now.  I also use "Man" a lot too.

Now "man" really bothers me because I can't always tell whether they're saying "man" or "ma'am."

[Melissa]

Whatcha mean? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or... ?

I meant pretty much exactly what I said. You're fortunate. You haven't experienced the pain that some have.

N~

I guess I'm fortunate too.

[SarahFaceDoom]

I got "Good night Gentlemen" last night at work, since I was working with a guy.  I just laughed.  He wasn't out to get me, he just misspoke, and it was more embarrassing for him than it was for me because I'm pretty comfortable where I sit.  I just thought I'd share that story as it relates to this one.

Dude is pretty genderless, especially amongst my generation or younger.  And I say "you guys" all the time.

In the event that someone does mis-represent your gender to you, just laugh.  It's not you who should be embarrassed.  They are the ones who committed the error.

Does not matter, need not be.

[Hazumu]

"guy", "dude" >> genderless.  Agreed.

I've been addressed as 'sir' at work while wearing a very feminine dress.  That one still gets me, the "I know what you REALLY are 'sir'". 

I haven't yet figured out a comeback that will establish boundaries without potentially bringing on a counseling statement from a section supervisor who wishes to protect the rights of people who wish to address me as 'sir'.

Karen