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Came out to anti-trans best friend

Started by DeValInDisguise, June 28, 2008, 07:28:26 PM

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Liann

Why is it people want to preserve every single relationship from their past?

The guy was 3 hours away, obviously didn't see the physical changes of hormone therapy, other changes in facial grooming (eyebrows, beard removal, makeup). He was effectively out of the picture until brought in by a phone call he didn't want to get in the first place.

Why was it even necessary to call this dude? Once the phone call progressed to the point where he became bizarre in his bigotry, why was the conversation prolonged?
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deviousxen

Quote from: sneakersjay on June 30, 2008, 08:21:50 PM
Quote from: Val on June 30, 2008, 07:17:40 PM"Even if you do mutilate yourself to look like a woman, which you'll never really be, I'll still be your friend." 

OUCH!

Either he can be educated, or not, but with a mindset like that, it's doubtful.  That is just plain mean.

Jay

To hell with that insensitive prick...

And the population of elephants has risen btw... No seriously... Its mad statistical
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DeValInDisguise

Quote from: Liann on September 08, 2008, 03:19:04 AM
Why is it people want to preserve every single relationship from their past?

The guy was 3 hours away, obviously didn't see the physical changes of hormone therapy, other changes in facial grooming (eyebrows, beard removal, makeup). He was effectively out of the picture until brought in by a phone call he didn't want to get in the first place.

Why was it even necessary to call this dude? Once the phone call progressed to the point where he became bizarre in his bigotry, why was the conversation prolonged?

Why was it necessary to call him?  Well, he was my best friend.  We had been friends for 14 years and had been there for each other in some tough times.  We talked on the phone a fair amount (weekly?  every other week?) even though he moved away.  He was still a large part of my life.  I wasn't about to just disappear on him.  It's not like he was somebody who was a friend of a friend from 8 years prior.

Why did the phone call continue?  Partially because I couldn't get a word in edgewise.  Partially because I wanted to try to reach him, this person who had been a friend for over a third of my life.  Partially because he was one of the first non-family I had come out to, and he had been a good friend, so I thought this might be about as good as it gets so I better try to hold on.

Val
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icontact

I'd've hung up and threw the phone at the wall if I were you. Good for you to be more mature than me. But yeah he's an arse, move on as best as can be done. -hugs-
Hardly online anymore. You can reach me at http://cosyoucantbuyahouseinheaven.tumblr.com/ask
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Liann

Quote from: Val on September 08, 2008, 07:57:48 PM
Quote from: Liann on September 08, 2008, 03:19:04 AM
Why is it people want to preserve every single relationship from their past?

The guy was 3 hours away, obviously didn't see the physical changes of hormone therapy, other changes in facial grooming (eyebrows, beard removal, makeup). He was effectively out of the picture until brought in by a phone call he didn't want to get in the first place.

Why was it even necessary to call this dude? Once the phone call progressed to the point where he became bizarre in his bigotry, why was the conversation prolonged?

Why was it necessary to call him?  Well, he was my best friend.  We had been friends for 14 years and had been there for each other in some tough times.  We talked on the phone a fair amount (weekly?  every other week?) even though he moved away.  He was still a large part of my life.  I wasn't about to just disappear on him.  It's not like he was somebody who was a friend of a friend from 8 years prior.

Why did the phone call continue?  Partially because I couldn't get a word in edgewise.  Partially because I wanted to try to reach him, this person who had been a friend for over a third of my life.  Partially because he was one of the first non-family I had come out to, and he had been a good friend, so I thought this might be about as good as it gets so I better try to hold on.

Val

Sorry, Val, honey. Now I'm as insensitive as your friend. Let's resolve together to give better advice so that people stop repeating bad moves. Write up your experience in detail, including the no-word-in-edgewise part and post it on a blog somewhere. Tell other girls thinking of outing themselves where the link is so they can read it themselves and pass it on to the hard-of-hearing too. Let's try to get some lemonade out of these lemons, or lemon meringue pie, or lemon ice, or lemon cake, heck, let's have a lemon party, girl.

Your friend needs a serious 2008 educational upgrade, as he is a walking encyclopedia of outmoded, obsolete and discredited theories.

Unfortunately mental health professionals are the most resistant to change bad data in their databanks -- it's called "denial" when non-professionals do it.

Send him my email and I'll re-educate him in his language. PM me or email me for my email address. I'm not going to make it easy for spam harvesters to glean my email by posting it in a public place.

Anyway, your other experiences will probably go smoother, because that is as bad as it can possibly get.

I lost a friend of 30 years once -- where do you go to replace a 30-year friendship?

He was once your best friend, and best friends have an open door to hurt you the worst. We don't keep up a wall of defenses against best friends, do we Val? As a professional in the field he had a special duty to curb his tongue. He didn't Val. He hurt you, and some of it was deliberate. Some was pure inner mean streak. He hasn't kept up with findings in his own professional field, and you put him on the spot about that. You didn't do it to embarrass him -- you had your own reasons to tell him what's important in your life which had nothing to do with is profession. He let you down as a friend and God only knows how much malpractice he does professionally with his misunderstandings.

You may never heal fully in a hundred years, but you can move on with your own dignity and wear your scars as marks of experience. Life is real, sometimes pain and scars are real which never go away fully.

You can't save every relationship. Your shouldn't have to. There's 6 billion people out there and even if only one in a thousand are worth knowing, that's still 6 million great people that you have yet to meet. One of them is going to be your next best friend.
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DeValInDisguise

Liann, you weren't anywhere near as insensitive as he was.  I haven't dwelled on it too much since the second conversation with him and my posting.  So much good has happened since then that it's not worth the effort to win him over and I'm much better off. 

But luckily he's *not* a mental health professional by any means.  He has a degree in Psychology and grew up living it (his father was a respected professor of Psychology and the chairman of a university Psych department).  This means that he's an expert in the field, of course, and there's no telling him otherwise.  When I referenced a study showing that post-op trans suicide was not 90% he said "They can make documentaries say anything".

I've written him off.  The guy is more stubborn than a mule.  He's right and everyone who disagrees with him is wrong.  Period.  End of question. 

And yes, coming out got much better.  I have real friends now.

Val
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