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Started by Luc, July 11, 2006, 09:14:44 PM

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Melissa

Rafe, this may be good for you.  It will intensify your need to come out to them regardless of the consequences, because it doesn't sound like it could gget much worse for you.

Melissa
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Nero

Quote from: Melissa on August 04, 2006, 06:25:22 PM
Rafe, this may be good for you.  It will intensify your need to come out to them regardless of the consequences, because it doesn't sound like it could gget much worse for you.

Melissa
Yeah, but he maybe he should wait until he's back on his feet. It might be better to lie low as it were while he's still under their roof, considering the fact that his mother's not even in the current century.
I really feel for you, Rafe. To this day, my mother does my laundry and thinks nothing of the boxers. But, then, she has two other daughters, one of whom is the epitome of femininity. She's always sort of thought of me as "the son she never had".  Do you think maybe she's pressed you so hard about conforming to the female gender, because she wanted a daughter so badly?
I know you're already doing the best you can, the only thing to do is start counting down the days to freedom.
Do whatever little things make you happy until then. I know the criticism hurts. It would be nice if your mom would get a clue and realize after 24 years, she's just not going to have that perfect princess.
As for the brother, demand some respect, man.
As always, if you need to vent, I'm here. PM me.

Nero
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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taylor

Rafe,

The hardest part about the insanity that is inflicted on adult kids by their parents is holding on to the inner truth, and accepting with a sense of pity the ignorance that rules their parents lives. ( Not ingornace about TS issues, just ignorance about life in general)

To find peace while you share this space with them, can most likely be found by accepting them as suffering and hurting from their own lack of self acceptence. Have you ever met anyone that accepts themselves, that does not accept others, truly?  When you write of your mom you write of a woman that is in serious inner pain, and burried in the blur of denial and ignorance over far more than what her childs identity is.  Look at her the next time you can watch her do things, and see if you can find compassion and sadness for the life she must have trapped herself in...by doing so you may find that you are free from the insanity anger and what not may bring to you.

This is just a suggestion, something I have seen work miracles in many lives.  Hang in there!

Peace,
Taylor
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Melissa

Quote from: Nero on August 04, 2006, 07:14:57 PM
Yeah, but he maybe he should wait until he's back on his feet. It might be better to lie low as it were while he's still under their roof, considering the fact that his mother's not even in the current century.

Yes, but he's only working for them to pay off a debt to them anyways.  They don't need to treat him like <green beans>.

Melissa
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Luc

Yeah, they're treating me like crap, but truthfully, I know Nero's advice is the best to follow; my folks could always kick me out with nothing but the clothes on my back. I have no money, terrible credit (due to all the student loans), and friends with whom I could stay maybe a month at the most, though most of them are back in Indiana. My car is near dead, and with the rising costs of gas, it'd be near impossible for me even to get out of the state on what I (don't) have. There's also my meds to consider... my mom is the only one who can pay for them, and I can't do without them, unless I want to go straight back into the miserable depression I was in prior to my treatment. I am working off a debt to them, but I'm working off a debt to everyone else, too; I owe my grandmother for her help with my rent when I almost got kicked out, and I owe the hospital for my stay in the emergency room when I hit rock bottom back in February (prior to treatment for my depression). Then I have to think about getting money so I can move back out on my own again, and start paying off student loans. Pretty much, I'm stuck, and it seems the more I try to assert myself to my parents, the more they knock me down with their biting criticisms.

I have tried to demand respect from my brother, but the problem is that, regardless of his being 7 1/2 years younger than me, my parents have always treated him like the king of the castle, and they condone any of his behavior, regardless of how uncouth it might be. I'm trying to just deal with it, because my brother, while a jerk at times, is my only ally out here. I think he's just being influenced more and more by the cracked ideals of my folks and their somewhat extremist church.

And Taylor, I'm trying. I'm trying to see the good in my mom. The problem is, most people will listen to your point of view and at least try to understand it before totally rejecting it, and my mom acts as if everything is just the way she's always known it to be, and nothing could possibly change that. If I came out to my folks, they would undoubtedly disown me. My brother would most likely still be a part of my life, because he's not anywhere near as crazy as the folks are (and I have suspicions about his sexuality, anway), but I'd never see or talk to my parents again. And until I get entirely on my feet, that would be impossible to take... it could mean the total and utter destruction of my future. So unless anyone needs a roommate who is currently unemployed and in awful debt, I'm stuck here.

Rafe

oh, and thank you so much, everyone, for your support.
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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Mario

 Rafe,
   It's good you are still young. It will take you being out on your own for your parents to ever come to terms with what you decission is. But it sounds like you have your head on straight, and know the things you need to get in order before telling them. Maybe you could just drop hints here and there to see a reaction? Hang in there bro, it is only a matter of time.

                                        Marco

                                       
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Melissa

Well, maybe when you are prepared to move out on your own, you could tell them.

Melissa
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Luc

I feel like doing that, Melissa; I had it out with them yet again tonight. My mom was p.o.'d because I have one of those internet movie rental things, and I can't cancel it in time for them to bill me again, even though I don't have the money in my account. She blew the whole thing out of proportion, then my dad started in telling me what a terrible kid I was and how I couldn't do anything, basically. I asked them to let me know when I finally did enough that they were proud of me, if that ever happens, and that just made them madder. I almost told them to f*** off, but again, nowhere else to go.

Rafe
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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taylor

Hi Rafe,

Well looking for the "Good" is not what I was actually trying to say.... but looking at the human weakness and her inner demons is what I was more closely trying to say to you. The truth is by doing this I often spare myself a lot of un needed emotional termoil and can stay focused on what my own reality really is while feeling compassion for the other personals lack of reality.

As for telling your parents, I can't see how that would be a issue to even begin to face right now in your life.  You hang in their and work your way through what you face right now, the future will take care of it's self in due time. Well at least that has been my experience.

Peace,

Taylor
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Melissa

Quote from: taylor on August 05, 2006, 10:17:35 PM
As for telling your parents, I can't see how that would be a issue to even begin to face right now in your life.  You hang in their and work your way through what you face right now, the future will take care of it's self in due time. Well at least that has been my experience.

I do have to agree with taylor on this one.

Melissa
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Luc

Well, fortunately, I think things are looking up a bit... I have 3 job interviews tomorrow, and all look promising. At the least, a job will take me out of the house for a decent amount of time, and that means time away from my folks.

Rafe
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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Melissa

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Luc

I got the first job, which is full-time and pays $11 an hour. And I should be getting a call tomorrow telling me I got a part-time job elsewhere as well. Paying for a ticket to Portland should be simple, and I should definitely make my deadline of moving in 2 months. Things are looking up!

Rafe
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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Melissa

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Rosebride

congrats... at least its just a short while... as long as theres hope you should still be able to make it. :)
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LynnER

Allright Rafe!!!  Congratulations and good luck :)  Maby in two months I can transfer out there and we can roommate and both get out of the parrental hell LoL   

Just kidding, Couldnt leave my band behind LoL.       *Hugs*
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Luc

Well, I thought things would get better. Instead, now I come home after a long day of work to get yelled at by my mom for one thing or another. She acted like she was going to kick me out last night... all because of some little arbitrary thing. I like my new job okay, but they call me by my female name, which I abhor... I don't exactly know how to go about changing that. As for my folks, I'm hoping to stay away from them as much as possible. At my current pay rate, I should make almost $2000 a month, which is more than I've ever made at a job before, and should get me out of here in the expected 2 months. Man, I can't wait

Rafe
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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taylor

Rafe,

Here may be a helpful tip for you in regard to not having to deal with your old name.  If you are new to the people around there, tell them that you go by say initials like RJ or whatever initials are yours...and if yours don't sound right, make something up...and when they ask you why those initials tell them it is from a nick name given to you when you were young and the initials just stuck, and people pretty much drop it from there and will call you by those intials. It is less gender specific and also leaves you free from the name that makes you feel so screwed over.... I have known this to work!  But it is only a suggestion if you feel it can work for you. People always had nick names, initial names from both sexes, so it does not really bring anythign into question for you!

Hang in there I know it is very hard to deal with...but coping skills can be found to hopefully make life a little more tolerable until you can get out and back to your own life.

Good luck

Peace,

Taylor
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spike

Good practical advice Taylor.
Congrats Rafe! The new jobs, coming to West Fest! Standing up to your mom.
Sounds like you are really making the most of ti & are goingn to meet your move out deadline.
I am very happy for you.  :D
~Spike
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Luc

Well, today I got a call from the manager at another place I'd applied, and I'm hired... now I have 2 jobs and should be working 55-60 hours per week. This should be awesome, as long as I can handle the full-time one; today we had a visiting manager from another store, and she told me she wanted me to try on the jeans so I'd know how they fit... the women's jeans. I tried to tell her they wouldn't fit (which isn't entirely true, but they wouldn't fit right), but she told me it was necessary, so I took a few pairs of jeans in the fitting rooms, looked at them, threw them at the wall, and walked back out. She asked me later why I hadn't modeled them for her, and I said I preferred not to. Fortunately, she didn't take it any further, but when I had suggested I try on the men's jeans, which would undoubtedly fit me, she seemed to think it a ridiculous idea. Good thing she's not my real manager; my real manager is fine with my wearing men's clothes, and I might just try to get her to start calling me by some gender neutral nickname. It should be all right.

Things with my mom have been better since yesterday... yesterday, for those of you who don't know, I had to go to court for a charge of speeding and reckless driving (I was clocked at 27 mph over the speed limit). I was told the charges could be up to 3 months in jail, but fortunately the D.A. waived the reckless driving charge, so I just have to pay a speeding ticket. My mom went all the way to court with me (it was 4 hours away), and we talked the whole time, as well as on the way back. I still don't believe for a second I could ever tell her I'm TS, but at least she's being more accepting of me personality-wise, and that's a move in the right direction.

Rafe
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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