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Started by Jasonk16, July 08, 2008, 02:31:14 PM

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Jasonk16

How long does it take for noticable changes?

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Scratchy Wilson

You should notice the menstration cycle changing within weeks of the first shot. After about 3 or 4 shots you will notice your voice starting to squeak and your throat feeling kind of raspy, like it needs to be cleared. It takes a while for facial hair to finally come in. That's as far as I've gotten on T. Results do differ for everyone though, keep that in mind. Good luck  ;D
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J.T.

Guess i gotta post my reply again..

it depends on the changes you're talking about.  Mentally/Emotionally I noticed an immediate change.  Physically it took me about a month (around third shot) before i really noticed anything.

Yeah results do differ, on the same dosage as me a dude got facial hair at two months.  I'm 14 weeks now and still only have a few whiskers.

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Mister

I had significant changes after the first shot.  My voice dropped within 3-4 days.  My appetite and energy level changed within 48 hours.
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Elwood

QUESTION!  :-X

Just how much does the voice drop, on average?
I'm worried I'll end up ridiculously so. It's a great fear of mine, because I'm a singer. My voice is pretty average and medium so I imagine it'll drop to a little deep... but I just don't want it to be OPERA deep, you know?

Man, I'm kinda envious. I don't think T will happen for me for a long time.

I visit my mom in August. I can't make the change before I see her, it'll be too much of a shock... But then I see her again in December. I'm going to have to shock her at some point... I can't wait forever just to make her happy... I'm gradually losing the grip that my current coping methods have given me... I'm slowly slipping into a very deep depression.

I need to see a THERAPIST. Currently I'm working with a counselor... All of this is going really downhill for me. I just want to feel comfortable in my own skin... T takes care of MOST of it, then there's top work and for some people bottom work. But I think T will solve at least 8/10 for me.
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Christo

it depends.  aunt flo dont come around after the first shot.   ;) :D voice after a month 4 me ;)  muscle growth depends on how much u exercise.  dunno what else 2 say :laugh: :laugh:  >:D >:D everybody's diferent so u just gotta be patient & see.  ;)
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trannyboy

Umm, if you are a singer get voice training otherwise good luck most guys switch type of singer. I don't know a lot but I know I lost my ability to mimic cats. (a long story but I got a kick out of it and now I can't do it). If I cared enough I would have gone and trained but cat mimicking isn't worth it.:D

In terms of effects, emotionally and mentally you will notice changes within the first week. If you start the T after a cycle you most likely won't bleed again or just spotting though some guys have said it took another month. Physical effects like beard growth, voice, muscles and fat all start within six months.

In terms of when it over, I am beginning to believe that it is either never over or it takes over 8 years. My voice stopped going lower initially and then I had another drop and then another. This continued over the first 2 years after that things were changing but it was too slow to tell without pictures. Then when I went on and off after a supply problem I had another period of changes, after the hysto it happened three more times in the 18 months after. I thought it was done and my voice was about at the level of my dad's. Then I started a higher dose of injections and it happened again, then when I switched to the pellets it happened again. I can let you know when it stops again:) my voice is now lower then my dad's and a few friends who are partially deaf have a lot of problems hearing me. I have to work and make sure to project my voice for them.

Hair- I have some facial hair but by no means even or decent and nothing above the belly button. Then after I raised my dose I started getting chest hair (I have 9 now) and there is a steady trail above my belly button. My leg and facial hair has evened out a lot.

So after nearly 8 years I have 9 hairs on my chest, half a beard spread over my face, good belly hair, good muscles, acne and a deeper voice then my dad. However in the period since my dose was raised my face and other bone structure are changing. I now look in no way androgynous and people tell me my face is harder and much more masculine then even 6 months ago. The results are pretty dramatic... People don't think I am a teenager or kid anymore and have stopped trying to sell me youth or student bus tickets. I haven't been ID'ed in over 6 weeks and they laugh when I pull out my ID to by smokes/ alcohol and say they don't need it. Perhaps the fountain of perpetual youth has finally dried up.

Hope this helps.

->-bleeped-<-boy
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Jamie-o

It's not too surprising that your voice continues to drop. Even among cis-gendered people, although the most dramatic change happens during puberty, in fact a man's voice continues to develop until he is in his mid to late twenties, and a woman's voice continues to develop until she is in her late twenties to early thirties.  (Or so I was told back in my drama training days.  :) )  I don't know exactly how that translates to trans-folk. I'm assuming it has to do with relative hormone levels, but I don't actually know.
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Elwood

I don't think I'll be switching type of singer. I'm already pretty deep and I'm into old-fashioned work which tends to be classic deep male voices... I doubt I'll change the genre but I most certainly will change position from tenor to bass. If not, I'll just be a more masculine sounding tenor rather than a female tenor.

Beard growth has to do with genetics as well. My dad said he couldn't grow a beard until he was in his 20's, and that it is likely that I might not be able to either (even if I started T today). Genetics are still genetics, and I am bound by them. I wish I could use my dad's genetic endowment, though, as he has told me quite a few times about how well hung he was in high school and how he'd get teased for it (yes, there is such a thing as being too big!). Unfortunately, I'll never be able to tap into that genetic reserve.

As for body hair, it's all genetic. I am not taking T yet and I already have quite a bit of body hair. I am kind of praying I don't turn out to have a fur sweater after T.

Because I am 5'3", I will always be unusual. I will never fit in as a normal sized guy. But I am hoping that T could at least take care of the rest. I will always have two shortcomings; no dick and I'll be small. But maybe one day I could fix the dick problem. Then I'd only be short.
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trannyboy

I am 5'3" as well and I never get trouble over my height. Don't stress over it. Though I guess since I am occasionally dysphoric over my height I shouldn't talk though.

I don't know much about music, sorry I said change singing types if that isn't right for you. I don't even really know what a tenor is.

Yes, hair growth is determined by genetics and genetics say I should be a hairy bear and well my legs and pelvis are hairy but nothing grew above the belly button and my facial hair just didn't come in, until my dose was raised and immediately my hair growth started again. So genetics mean nothing if the hormones level aren't sufficient.

Since you have some hair growth pre-T odds are good that you have higher levels Dihydrotestosterone or Testosterone or your body is more sensitive to DHT or T then your average women and you are going to be hairy. I was pretty much bald on my body and had little response on normal doses. Thats is just the wonder of being an individual and as always your mileage may vary.

->-bleeped-<-boy
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Kevin

I'm on what I think people usually refer to as a "full dose." My voice seemed to start dropping within the first week (not much, but noticeably). I'm a little over 2 months on T and my voice is already definitely deeper and I'm always read as male on the phone (have to argue with people sometime that I really am who I am, since my legal name is still my birth name). My very close friend calls me and isn't sure it's me when I answer, once she hung up when I said hello because she thought she had the wrong number and had some scary old guy on the phone. :D Now she says she just hopes it's me when she calls, 'cause she doesn't want to hang up all the time. So that happened very quickly for me. Other than that I haven't seen a ton of changes. I'm starting to see some darker hairs on my face and I've had a little growth down below, but not much. Mentally though, a ton has changed already. And I've gained 15-20 pounds in the last two months ...

So, changes can happen pretty quickly, at least a few changes.
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Elwood

@ TB: I found that 5'3" is the "average," meaning, if I take every man I saw yesterday, add their heights, and divide by them... I'll get something around 5'3"-5'5". But yeah, the ACTUAL "average" is like 5'6" or something, though I see a lot of guys who are 6'...

To help, a tenor is the deeper singer but not the deepest. In a barber quartet, they're all tenors, but they sing different "roles."


(BTW, in a perfect world, I'd be a Dapper Dan)

Genetics mean everything. Yes, if the hormone level is low, things won't happen. But raising the level won't raise a person's potential.

As for testosterone levels, my doctor says my levels are "normal" for a woman. Said that my extra hair is "genetic."
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Dennis

Tenor, bass, baritone refer to the range in which a singing part is. In barbershop, where it's all male or all female, the tenor is the highest voice, lead and baritone are about the same range (baritone sings harmony and lead sings melody), and bass is the lowest range. The ranges overlap of course, and in a particular spot in the song the bass part may be higher than the baritone, but overall, the parts are based on ranges.

In mixed groups, it goes, in order of highest to lowest: soprano, alto, tenor, baritone, bass. Soprano, alto, and tenor can be sung by women, tenor, baritone, bass by men. Some choir directors won't have female tenors in their groups because the tone is different, but it is within the range for women with deeper voices. And some individuals have greater range than that - I'm generalizing.

Within the parts, a particular song may have first soprano, second soprano, etc, again referring to range - first being higher range.

And a particular individual may have a range that allows them to sing different parts. Before transition, I could've sung second soprano, alto, or tenor, although I was more comfortable in alto or tenor. Post-transition, I can sing baritone or bass, and some tenor parts, although probably not as high as barbershop tenor parts. Baritone or bass one (which is the higher bass) is my most comfortable range.

If it helps to place where the tenor range is, most male pop singers sing in a tenor range.

Dennis
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Elwood

Right, but in the Dapper Dans, they're all tenors. I posted the video because they show that in this video. They're a bit unique, as they're range has to be pretty big (they understudy each other in case someone falls ill). The bass is obviously the most impressive, because he can stretch from bass to tenor, and not all of them can do that.

Disneyland's Dapper Dans are not a typical barber quartet, so that's where common misconception is born.
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tekla

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, the average for white American males age 20–39 is 5 foot, 10.2 inches, and has not changed in a while.

Disneyland is not a reference for anything other than Disneyland. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Jasonk16

Do you generally gain weight when you start?
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Lachlann

From what I've heard, yes, you do gain more weight... but its also distributed in different areas.
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Elwood

Quote from: tekla on July 14, 2008, 01:21:50 PM
According to the National Center for Health Statistics, the average for white American males age 20–39 is 5 foot, 10.2 inches, and has not changed in a while.

Disneyland is not a reference for anything other than Disneyland. 

That's taking the ENTIRE country and making an average. What do I care if men are taller in New Jersey? I'm never going to live there.

As for Disneyland's Dapper Dans, it was reference enough. I was talking about that style of barber quartet, which does NOT only exist in Disneyland, but, it is, however, where that particular style started. And by that particular style I am referring to the doubling, not the            quartet itself.

Quit trying to be such a know-it-all.
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Mister

Best of luck to you short guys...   I lucked out at 5'10".
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Jasonk16

Has anyone grown after T?
Or do people generally start taken it after they're like 20?
Because I've heard there can be a chance of a growth spurt
and most people grow to 21..
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