Beer, like anything else is more important.

[lady amarant]

~Simone.
      Feeling all patriotic 'n stuff tonight!

So, how's the push coming to remove that fellow, Mugabe, from the house next-door?

N~

Yeah 'kay, so our government has not exactly been a shining example of reason and fairness of late. Or ever, really. Grrrrrrrr.

~Simone.
      Feeling not-so-patriotic-anymore right now.


Posted on: 16 July 2008, 15:09:18

[NicholeW.]

~Simone.
      Feeling not-so-patriotic-anymore right now.

Oh... Wanna go get a beer, luv?

Nichole

[lady amarant]

Is it just me, or do all governments, rulers and would-be-boss-MEN (cause it usually is a bloody MAN) suck?

~Simone.
      Back to her usual, anarchistically socialist self.

PS. Thanks Nichole. I'll have a Lime and Soda though. Beer sucks.

[NicholeW.]

I agree. Do they make mango-margaritas in ZA? Or lacking that I can go with lime & soda as well.




Nichole

[tekla]

Might I remind you that Margaret Thatcher, Golida Mier and  Indira Ghandi had some pretty bloody events happen on their respective watches also.

[NicholeW.]

Might I remind you that Margaret Thatcher, Golida Mier and  Indira Ghandi had some pretty bloody events happen on their respective watches also.

Consider us reminded. And consider yourself also considering what a woman needs to prove as well to be "one of the guys."

Is it just me, or do all governments, rulers and would-be-boss-MEN (cause it usually is a bloody MAN) suck?

~Simone.
      Back to her usual, anarchistically socialist self.

Not that they admit, as a general rule!

Nichole

[tekla]

Perhaps they were not trying to be one of the guys, perhaps they were just as bloodthirsty and cold hearted as the men?  It may well be that both sexes, being human is a condition they both have, and that those are human traits.  Its just that they have historically prevented from showing it, and when the restraints come off, the behavior comes out.  Violent crime as a whole has gone down in the US since the early 1990s, but woman on women violence, particularly in juvie courts, is off the charts in the same period.  Are women today more violent then in the past, or do they just have more opportunities to express themselves in a violent manner?

PhD level research question to be sure.

Not that anyone would ever let me, but .... if I repeated the Stanford Prison Experiment with only women, does the outcome change?

[NicholeW.]

Do ya really think any prison experiment is going to change given correctional facilities?

Another PhD? Why not just write a book and use the PhD you already have? 

N~

BTW, I am not in complete disagreement. I think sometimes the guys get stampeded into blood-thirsty acts by the sense that they may be seen as "having no balls" too. And I am not of the opinion that all women are less violent than men. Just us good ones!!! >

Nichole

[lady amarant]

Might I remind you that Margaret Thatcher, Golida Mier and  Indira Ghandi had some pretty bloody events happen on their respective watches also.

I'm not so sure Thatcher was female. Or even human, for that matter. I still believe her and Reagan were aliens planted to lead us into conspicuous consumerism and TV-culture so we'd not notice as their master-race took over the earth.

Mier and Ghandi, well, okay, you have a point. There's a reason I'm an anarchist ya know! 

As to mango-margheritas, I'm sure they do. I mean, we DO have mangoes here ...

~Simone.

[tekla]

Well the Stanford Prison Experiment says that you can't reform prisons, because they are inherently brutal.  Remember they had to stop the thing at day six (of a proposed two weeks) because things got out of hand so quickly.

Or take the Milgram experiment at Yale that found the same basic deal. 

The people in both those studies were male, I'm just wondering if we did them again with all females would we get close to the same results.

Philip Zimbardo who designed and ran the SPE referred to as "The Lucifer Effect." 

Milgram and SPE are both classic studies, and a lot of stuff is written about them on the web.  Interesting to say the least.  And remember when you read these that we are not talking about taking good old boys or rednecks or jocks, they are using Stanford and Yale students who do not come from violent backgrounds nor do they seem to exhibit a high degree of violent behavior in other settings, just the exact opposite.

[lady amarant]

I knew about the Milgram experiment, but the Stanford one was interesting to read about. Not to mention scary.

Human nature is animal nature, and animal nature is to react to its environment and to circumstance. I like to think that being human is a choice we make, to rise above that animal nature. It's a choice one constantly has to remake as well, because it is all too easy to slip back into a reactive state. Because most people accept their humanity as a given, they never make that choice.

That's my take on the woes of humankind anyway. Nice and overly-simplistic, most probably. 

~Simone.

Okay, this was a non-serious thread. What is it with me that I always manage to turn a thread serious?!?! 

[tekla]

I tried in the beginning to make it serious, its about selling off American companies to the highest bidder, which I think is not a good policy.  But because it was a beer company, somehow it drifted into sudsy liquid real fast, though I'm not sure how.

[lady amarant]

I tried in the beginning to make it serious, its about selling off American companies to the highest bidder, which I think is not a good policy.  But because it was a beer company, somehow it drifted into sudsy liquid real fast, though I'm not sure how.

Hmmmm. I almost think that was me too! Hehehe. trust me to destroy the integrity of any thread I get my grubby little hands on. 

Sorry Tekla. 

~Simone.

[deviousxen]

Too bad they all suck except like 3 Sam Adams flavors. Guinness ftw!

How bad did Bush do this nation as the Cat in the Hat president (and without lube either)  Bud has been sold to Europe.

Bud, Miller, Coors, so.....

The number one brewer of American beer is now Sam Adams.  (Boston Brewing Company)

Followed by Sierra Nevada in third place.