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Started by fae_reborn, August 21, 2008, 05:10:19 PM

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cindybc

Hi Kylie,

I have not been feeling all that up to par today but I was the one who came upon your post. Usually when I see someone is hurting I'll do what ever I can to try and give them some support. After reading your post I shed a few tears and went and got my partner Wing Walker to read your post. I am thankful that she did and I will tell you something honey, she is just as big hearted as she is a big woman and she is all woman to me and soon will be physically as well. Hey I'm only a small woman, so having a partner that can kick butt if she should need to, well, I'll just hide under the table.

Truly though I was lucky that I was done with the wife and the children were taken from me years before I came to the bottom step of the stairs to transition. I even had another partner in between but that relationship didn't work either and we each went our way, amicably. The transition road for me was all completed after 6 years. I have lived as a woman full time all told, for 9 years. But I must admit my experience had very few lumps in it and what lumps there were, turned out only to be a few beetles hiding under the table cloth sort of deal.

Cindy
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KylieLuv

Quote from: Hypatia on September 23, 2008, 11:25:49 PM
The argument that transitioning will be harmful to your kids is bogus. It's more harmful to repress who you are. It's extremely damaging to not only us but our loved ones. We don't do them any favors by repressing. They only see the outside, they can't see what you're going through inside, so they are not in a position to judge us when we take responsibility for our own health and well-being. Taking care of your own health is essential if you're to be any good for your family. Destroying yourself will not help them. They don't understand how destructive it is for us to repress our true gender. It's like the oxygen masks on airplanes. Parents have to be instructed to put their own on first, then the children's.
Thank you Hypatia for those wonderful words of encouragement and the wonderful analogy. It all makes rational sense and I believe that it's probably true. But it's going to take me time to work it all out and take any action. I'm so scared. But it is a great relief to be able to engage this dialog here at this beautiful place. Growing up in the 50's, 60's & 70's there was nothing available. Hopefully someday I can be at peace and return the help.
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Wendy C

Quote from: Always Amanda on September 23, 2008, 09:35:11 PM
QuoteSo my maternal instincts won't let me accept that something I would do for me would hurt them in any way.

Yes and so many of us would agree... but at some point all of us have to do for US... there is no other
way to survive. I was the same way... I can't do this because of who I'm going to hurt... but that's not
living and the end result is that it is not fair to anyone. Don't be afraid to put yourself first for a change.

And.... you are never too old, masculine or too tall... just ask around here... lots of girls over 6 ft, lots in
their 60's and 70's... and we ALL think we are too masculine. Good luck.

Amanda


I was just reading along when this response from Amanda caught my eye because it tends to mirror my life somewhat. I havent posted for awhile because things are rapidly moving forward in the right direction. What I thought interesting was the quote about Maternal instincts as this was an important catalyst that I feel kept me from transition through two marriages, and the death of my father. I could not personally come to terms with my sense of maternal guilt until I felt that I had did all I possibly could to hold myself together as family oriented father, if that makes any sense at all.

Amandas following quote also hit home and she is indeed correct also in that at some point you have to accept yourself for who you really are and end the charade. Yes you will cause harm in most cases, but you still have to become yourself finally and I emphasise finally. And the longer you wait, the less time you will have in which to become you. And if you have not figured it out yet I am a Senior, at 61 and started my transition a year ago.

To answer the first question and the gist of this thread, I knew at about 4 years old I was different and wanted to be like Jane next door (It really was her name) and by age seven I had told my mother I wanted to be a girl. I think the major defining moment came at about 12 just shortly after my Mother had passed away.I found a nudist colony book that showed pictures of  a nude teen redheaded girl. There was no sexual connentation, I just simply wanted nothing else but to be her and knew exactly who I was inside and who I should have been from that moment on. Christine Jorgenson was also made known to me about that time and I so envied her.

But life deals us all different circumstances and while wishing I could have started a lot earlier I am still grateful to have been blessed to begin even now. Hugs

Wendy

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Natasha

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Quote from: Nichole on September 23, 2008, 05:10:11 PM
Yep, some people do it even after transition. :laugh:

heh! since when is knowing you're female & not 'othered' denial?.  shame on you. tsk tsk tsk >sigh.>
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KylieLuv

Quote from: Wendy C on September 26, 2008, 07:13:40 PM
Quote from: Always Amanda on September 23, 2008, 09:35:11 PM
QuoteSo my maternal instincts won't let me accept that something I would do for me would hurt them in any way.

Yes and so many of us would agree... but at some point all of us have to do for US... there is no other
way to survive. I was the same way... I can't do this because of who I'm going to hurt... but that's not
living and the end result is that it is not fair to anyone. Don't be afraid to put yourself first for a change.

And.... you are never too old, masculine or too tall... just ask around here... lots of girls over 6 ft, lots in
their 60's and 70's... and we ALL think we are too masculine. Good luck.

Amanda


I could not personally come to terms with my sense of maternal guilt until I felt that I had did all I possibly could to hold myself together as family oriented father, if that makes any sense at all.

Amandas following quote also hit home and she is indeed correct also in that at some point you have to accept yourself for who you really are and end the charade. Yes you will cause harm in most cases, but you still have to become yourself finally and I emphasise finally. And the longer you wait, the less time you will have in which to become you. And if you have not figured it out yet I am a Senior, at 61 and started my transition a year ago.

Wendy

Dear Amanda & Wendy,

Your statements ring very true Amanda. Yes, I'm 6'1" and very athlectic looking. Yes I've seen women that tall and athlectic. Quite a few actually. Also, my therapist told me that I am blessed that I can easily go from the male role to female even now. I also have a light beard and very little chest, stomach and back hair and my leg hair is light and sparse for a man. So maybe I need to look on the positive sides and not focus on the negative soooooooooooooooo much. Wait, that's what my therapist tells me all the time. DUH! I just need to start believing.

Your comment Wendy about not being able to accept until doing all you possibly could rings very true for me and is exactly where I am. So now after 21 years of therapy, drugs, alcohol, risk taking and major medications I've done all I can to protect my loved ones from the real me. Therefore, now is the time to take care of me before I hurt me.

Congratulations Windy on taking the huge step at your wonderful age. You help give me the courage I've lacked.

Peace & Happiness
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The Bri Girl

    In my case, I knew I was different from boys when I was about 6.  I only liked "playing doctor" with other boys. My childhood was very unstable, we moved constantly so I never got to make real friends, but then, I didn't want to.  Other boys were scary, and I didn't like their games.  Mom was always dressing me in cowboy suits and trying to make me go outside.  They used to kick me out and lock the door so I'd go "play".  The friends I was able to get close to were always girls, except a few gaming nerds as I got older.   I liked to visit my cousins, all girls except for one, who was a flaming queer - I loved him, so much fun!  Anyhow I never put the pieces together, and there were lots, until a few months ago.  before then I thought I was some kind of screwed up gay person.  I was so afraid of my family I went to great lengths to pose as macho, but being so much like my mom, I'm sure it looked forced.  Now, I'm out, I'm free!  I don't care who knows, who clocks me, I carry my cell with 911 on speed dial and that's about it.  It's wonderful to be alive, really alive, and to feel that dissonance inside disappear.
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luna

Quote from: The Bri Girl on September 27, 2008, 11:03:44 AMNow, I'm out, I'm free!  I don't care who knows, who clocks me, I carry my cell with 911 on speed dial and that's about it.  It's wonderful to be alive, really alive, and to feel that dissonance inside disappear.

That definitely sounds wonderful. ;)


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The Bri Girl

 :laugh: Thanks!  It is wonderful, I mean, there are still rocky spots, but I'm learning to be a healthier person.   It helps that I have a first class therapist I can trust.  I'm able to be very deeply honest with him, and I respect it when he waves the B/S flag.  I also do a 12 step program, and have a healthy church that's very accepting to the LGBT community. 
     In fact my pastor, Howard Bess, literally wrote the book on church acceptance of Lesbians and Gays, "Pastor, I'm Gay" was a profound inspiration to me, and about the only thing that could EVER have made me consider going into a church again.
     Anyway, my point is, it took a safe and caring support team to help me learn to be honest and accepting towards myself.
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cindybc

Hi Kylie, I don't remember if I mentioned my age, I am 63 years old and I will say the same as Wing Walker after I began transitioning to full time I never looked back and 9 years later it just so all feels like it was all just a bad dream. I am happy with my life, probably more so then any other time in my life, I am just the me I had always aspired to be now. Hey at least I didn't disappoint myself, Cindy turned out to be a pretty good kid.  ;)

CindyBC
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KylieLuv

Quote from: cindybc on September 27, 2008, 05:49:39 PM
Hi Kylie, I don't remember if I mentioned my age, I am 63 years old and I will say the same as Wing Walker after I began transitioning to full time I never looked back and 9 years later it just so all feels like it was all just a bad dream. I am happy with my life, probably more so then any other time in my life, I am just the me I had always aspired to be now. Hey at least I didn't disappoint myself, Cindy turned out to be a pretty good kid.  ;)

CindyBC

You and Wing Walker are so wonderful to me that I don't know how to show my gratitude. But some day I'll figure out how, Also, I pray that some day I can be happy and at peace like you. 56 years of pain and suffering is too much for any human being and my heart has always gone out to all of "US" and anyone else suffering.

My heart is full and i thank you and all.

Peace & Happiness
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cindybc

Hi KylieLuv, well it's time to make you happy hon. Embrace who resides within and then be the best her you can possibly be. Please keep posting hon, the are many caring and smart people with a big heart here. Now that brings to mind, "hey Leiandra, where art thou?" 

You may PM Wing Walker and I when ever you wish.
I need to go to work this evening, I will be back later this evening.

Cindy
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WolfNightV4X1

Hey all, sorry for the necro, I guess I just feel it's better than starting the same topic back up again, maybe?

It's just I feel like I want to get the answer to this off my chest and somewhere.

So uh, well anyways, it's hard to say. I've never felt had any moments in childhood like so many people said they did when I denied my physical sex and pronouns, because thats what was said I am and I physically saw it true. Mostly I just felt I wasnt really a girl like the other girls, that I was different. I didnt have a lot of friends, and I had female friends by circumstance, but I would always naturally gravitate towards masculine concepts in society and ideals, and away from things perceived female. This process was gradual since I'd been raised on things like dolls, dresses, and the like, only to naturally steer clear of that as time went on and I gained some recognition of what those things typically presented.

I knew I was a girl of course, because that's just how it was. I didnt think of my gender much though, I was more typically agender back then, I felt male but I didnt quite rely too much on what being a girl meant internally as externally, as the description of myself as a girl was kind of just there, but I didnt feel either of those things. I clearly wasn't a male, and I clearly wasn't female. I don't recall who or what decided on it, maybe after my rejection of feminine clothing, but I quickly earned the title tomboy. And that's what I was most of my life. I didnt quite like the word, but I liked what it implied, that I wasn't quite a girl the way I should be, and yeah even though a lot of tomboys exist and it's silly to think it's some outlier, I still preferred it. I always saw myself in the role of female characters written intentionally masculinely and I loved it. When I began writing I did briefly write as a first person male, but convinced myself it was because as a writer one should learn to write a character that isn't yourself, so as to avoid any judgement I was worried about (while this is true, I cant help but wonder if I just used that as an excuse to repress the idea that I could write a male protagonist from personal experience) For a long time when I was younger online I socially put forth as female, intentionally forcing and asserting my gender to show that despite my attitude and mindset I was a 'girl but not a girl, a different kind of girl'

I guess fast forward to puberty. I actually didnt think much on it at all, as if I never expected it to happen. But suddenly it did and my body felt weirder to me than ever. When my breasts started growing in, I disliked it. It felt very uncomfortable. Over time though I wanted to have some semblance of being 'normal', so despite having a small chest size I wished they were bigger at one point. Only later did I realize (around high school) that it was silly to want something 'normal' that I didnt even want at all. Same goes for the period...I never wanted one and hoped I never would get it, only to realize as I was starting to come of age that it wasn't 'normal' and got paranoid that if I didnt develop right I'd have to go to the doctor and get invasive tests. I eventually did get it, and soon enough wanted it gone again.

Right around high school I started learning about sexuality and gender. I lived a sheltered life and didnt even know what gays were, and I had a vague to absent understanding of transgenders. In high school is when I stumbled upon a webcomic, which featured a character who was initially shown as male, but later shown physically female. This clicked with me so much, I saw myself as the character and it was the closest semblance to feeling like a character I had.

As time wore on I learned more about gender stuff, there's a creative phenomenon called 'genderbending' (or -swapping) in which you make an opposite gendered version of said character, same character and everything, just simply a different gender. This fascinated me because I realized one could be the same exact person, but the only difference is that you're chromosomally/hormonally not the same. I started imagining myself as male, being sexually attracted to the idea of a male version of myself, and feeling better with the idea of being male. When I learned about what trans people were, not so long ago, I was a distant bystander at first but asked myself "I'm not transgender...I'm just a girl who is masculine. Am I transgender?" I wanted to not lump myself in a category of people I didnt understand and if it turned out not to be true, that I wasn't, that I'm just some poser, that I have my mindset wrong. But the allure of it pulled me further in and I began to say I was male by gender but not by sex. (I felt like it was important to differentiate such, because I was not physically male even if I preferred it and didnt want to fool people). When I first referred to myself as male there was a surge of good feeling, that I didnt have to say I wasnt, that at least to myself I could say I was.

To this day I feel like maybe I'm wrong, I'm uncomfortable in my secondary sex traits most times but maybe I just have to accept it. It is what it is.

Of course, when I learned trans people could get hormones and surgery to present more as male, I realized this is something I would want, If I had the choice to I would. And it seems I do. So that's where I'm at


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Moneyless

I always knew I wanted to be a boy but I just assumed it was something I would get over and as I got older I'd become like other girls. I also thought every girl wanted to be a boy because of 'male privilege' and because I considered being a guy so much luckier than being a girl. I didn't even know what transgender was until about 14 and that hit me so hard because I realised that this isn't going to go away, then puberty hit me like a ton of bricks lol. I thought puberty was going to make me like girl things and that's what my parents told me. When I'm older I'll get over it. Only made me worse


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started T 12/04/16 - 18 years old
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Nikola

I always knew I liked being girly from a very very early age. But I was about 15 or 16 when I knew I was considered 'transgender' otherwise I knew from the age of about 4 when I would dress up in a princess dress at kindergarten :)
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Joi

Regarding the term "trans"  it wasn't in use when I realized that I had a strange attraction to girls clothes.  Problem was in the 1950's one couldn't exactly talk about something like that with ones peers or parents or anyone else for that matter.  The process of male socialization was in play.  Now keep in mind that the stigma attached to these types of feelings were not much different in the '60,'70's or even today in many places and countries.  Let's just say I knew that I was different all labels aside  (that comes later). I had to wait over 50 yrs. for an adequate explanation. Those experiencing these feelings today have an easier path as far as the info trail is concerned. That's just the way things are in many aspects of social & societal growth.

Hugz!


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RavenMoon

When I was about 4 or 5 I knew I was supposed to be a girl. Actually I thought I was. I asked my mom to paint my nails like the other girls. She tried to explain I was a boy and I said I wasn't. So she painted my finger and toe nails red.

As I got older I still knew I was supposed to be a girl. At some point I heard about people having sex changes. So I knew it wasn't just me. I don't think I heard the term "transsexual" yet. But I knew a "->-bleeped-<-" was a man who dressed as a woman. I also realized while similar, it wasn't the same. 

Puberty was rough. Luckily I was always small and built more like a girl. By 12 or so I told my mother I didn't want my hair cut any more. By high school it was down to my waste. I used the 70s glitter rock scene as an excuse to wear nail polish and girl's clothes. Surprisingly no one beat me up in high school!

Here I am at 58 just starting this whole process. [emoji53]


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Kylo

When I was a kid I had these two friends, a Vietnamese girl, and an Arab girl. Both of them would often say they wanted to be boys because their parents' culture appeared to celebrate boys and 'hate' girls - this translated to the girls having to do housework while their brothers didn't, and their parents just seemed to let the boys have anything they wanted and get away with being naughty; naturally my friends resented this, and being girls. I had feminist parents but I still resented the hell out of being a girl. At the time though, I thought I was just like my friends - and the problem was the product of a society 'in love' with men and dismissive of women.

As time went on though, I started to see that society wasn't really in love with men, since it always seemed to make them most responsible for bringing in the money (even in my home) and they were not really allowed to slack off this duty or complain about it. My mother would sit about claiming she was depressed (and having affairs trying to snag a richer dude, as I discovered years later) while my dad worked two jobs to keep us in food and clothes - he could have kicked up some dust about it but he didn't, feeling it was more important to keep his kids fed. My two friends started growing up, and though they still felt women got the crappy end of the stick, they started buying make up and beauty products, dressing fashionably, and hanging out with female friends a lot. They would talk about their boobs as if they were positive things, hoping for them to get a bit bigger and so on. I on the other hand started to notice I didn't want to do any of these things - and I didn't; I refused to wear make up, women's fashion didn't interest me, and the boobs - I thought about how I could possibly cut them off myself at some point, but came to the (wise) conclusion that wasn't doable by myself in my bedroom with an amateur dissection kit. At the same time I never even thought of telling another person about these thoughts. I didn't occur to me another human being would understand what was in my head.

So I saw the dichotomy between cis women and their doubtful feelings about gender roles, but how they still eventually slotted comfortably into them, and my absolute refusal to slot anywhere near a female gender role. This was about age 14 or 15, although much earlier than that I'd already been dissatisfied with other people's explanations of what it was to be 'female'. In some ways my non-conformity wasn't even fully conscious, just a veering away from the things my friends were gravitating towards, because I absolutely lacked interest in any of it. So I knew for sure I was 'different' at that time, but I didn't know the words for the condition. This was before widespread use of the internet and places like this where you can find out almost anything you care to know about being trans. I knew what a "sex change" was (as it was called then) but I somehow didn't make the connection it was something people like me did. I assumed as a child sex changes were for people who were in some way terribly ill, or super rare cases and I had no idea about any of it, so it didn't cross my mind for another 20 years that it was something I could do.

As for relationships - I had almost zero interest in them for a very long time. I could not picture myself with another person even if I was attracted to them because to me I was not a person who was acceptable to myself. I barely felt real. I was interested in sex of course, like most people, but on the mental level the moment I tried to picture myself "with" someone - just blank. I couldn't imagine it. Like there was a black hole where my personhood should be. My parents started to wonder if I was gay, friends started to ask if I was asexual and I shrugged. I had interest in being a normal person, but I knew I wasn't so I just plodded on and avoided having to confront the issue. I turned a lot of people down who wanted to go out with me. When I eventually did get involved with people, it coincided with two things - an immense tiredness with it all and a moment of "what the hell, who cares", and later in a relationship I did care very much about, a feeling of resignation to being stuck in the female gender forever.   

Technically I only "knew" four years ago - the words and technical details of my problem. But all my life I've known I felt silly as a female a best, and there were times when I had such a hatred for myself I'm surprised I survived.

It was always the most visible when I wasn't alone and somebody was telling me I shouldn't act a certain way because female. I got used to not looking at myself in the mirror, not referring to myself by any pronoun in my head, so much so that this jerked me out of my nice little mental bubble of non-femaleness. Rather than go deeper into the role of female to try to shake myself out of it like some people with trans conditions do, I always just flat out refused to be categorized. I didn't care if people didn't like me. I didn't care if I was ostracized by other kids. I always flipped the bird to the idea of being what I'm not, but that of course comes with its own price. It's only now I'm realizing the full extent of the damage.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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