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Hazard "AJ"

Me and my mum had a talk today. It hasnt been a gd day today for any of us. My mum was haviing probs with my stepdad and i was so depressed and i didnt really want to talk about my probs as she had her own. later that day we were just talking about life. and i told her that i will be calling the docs sometimes this weeks cuz i been so depressed and need to talk to my GP. she agreed. But she really got me thinking and it got me kind of upset and even more depressed. I have never been in a relationship. and would love a relationship. she nows i am into women. i told her when i told her i felt like i was born in the wrong body. But she said to me how can i be in a relationship with a straight women if i start transition i am going to be a man. as i want to be. but she said a straight women wouldnt go with me cuz im a women and a lesbion women wouldnt go with me cuz i look like a man. although i get that now it really hart it felt like whats the point me doing anythink if im going to be in the same boat i am now.. Right now i just fill like i might aswell give up if there is no futer for me... All i want in my life is what everyone else whats but it fills like im never going to get there. Right now i have nothing in my life to be here for and she really didnt help me... It got me even more confused....


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Elwood

I know quite a few transguys who are with straight women. What your mom said is completely untrue. In my experience, it's harder for transguys to date gay men (that aren't also trans). And lesbians also like girls who look like men. I also know a girl who was a lesbian, she dated a transguy, and married him. She sees him as a man and she's pretty much become straight.

I feel like I have no future, either, lol. I'm 18 and I've never had a partner. I'm in college and I look like a 15 year old boy. Everyone stays away from me because I look like pedo bait. Go figure. I'm hoping I'll meet someone nice at the LGBT group. To be honest, I'd love to be with someone who is some sort of queer. We can understand each other.
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Lachlann

There are plenty of straight women who would want to date you or have a relationship with you.

I used to be worried about this too but the other day I was on youtube(lol, its like a regular part of my routine now) watching FTM transition videos and things like that. This guy was talking about how confident he was and that people were saying to him, "You better keep what you have with your gf and don't lose her!" as if she was the only gf he'd ever have or get. The thing is, though, hes confident in his masculinity(and no, that doesn't mean you have to be macho, you can be 'feminine' too) that to straight women it doesn't really matter what hes got. Theres more to being a man than the equipment that you have... and I know a lot of us have dysphoria about this, but a penis doesn't make a man.

If a girl didn't want to be with you because you weren't born with the equipment or were once psychically a 'girl', then she obviously isn't the one for you. Who wants a girl like that anyway? We want someone who can understand us, right?

I had a girlfriend once(we broke up for different reasons) who accepted me for who I am. She saw me as 100% male even though I didn't physically match up. I think its because most girls want an emotional relationship more than they want a physical relationship. And I'm not saying they don't want the physical, I'm just saying that girls tend to want the emotional side out of relationships. I'm not saying that we're somehow better than bio males, but I do think that a lot of us are able to sympathize with females because we know what its like to have a period, we know what its like to grow up being seen as female, even if we didn't fit in. In some ways, I think its our 'advantage' for a lack of better words to have this information. However, bio guys have their 'advantage' of growing up male and being socially accepted as being male and having the opportunities that they had.

Sometimes we have to work with what we got, and sometimes I think that being a transman, while difficult, is very rewarding. I think you gain a sense of respect for females in a way that a bio guy usually doesn't.

And I'm rambling now, but the thing is, bro...

There are girls out there for you and they will want to be with you and go out with you.
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Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
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Elwood

-shudder- It doesn't make me want a penis any less! But it's true. Women seem to be much more accepting of guys without dicks. Although, they are pretty surprised and they aren't exactly over joyed. They keep asking themselves if they're lesbians when they're attracted to guys like me. -_-;; It bothers me, but after I start T, they hopefully won't feel that way.

Biomale advantages > Transmale advantages, in my opinion. Seriously. Biomales CAN be sensitive and understand women in most ways if they are raised properly, AND they have penises. For serious. Gay men are at the top I think because a lot of them are sensitive and have the right equipment.

But it is true. We have a perspective biomales can never have.
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Northern Jane

You mom is full of it!

I would LOVE to date a FtM! As TS/Intersex I have a hell of a time with straight men getting all bent out of shape over my medical history. I figure an FtM shouldn't have any problem with it.

P.S. I am ALMOST straight  ::)
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Elwood

I personally am interested in people of all kinds. I am, however, getting very comfortable with girls. So much that I'm starting to feel that cisgendered males aren't worth it. My dating scope is being limited to females, androgynes, and transmales. Females includes transgirls, of course.

Transmales are not "less men" than cisgendered males, but I feel like they'll respect my boundaries more.
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Nero

Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 05:14:52 PM
I personally am interested in people of all kinds. I am, however, getting very comfortable with girls. So much that I'm starting to feel that cisgendered males aren't worth it. My dating scope is being limited to females, androgynes, and transmales. Females includes transgirls, of course.

Transmales are not "less men" than cisgendered males, but I feel like they'll respect my boundaries more.

So you don't mind that transguys don't have the equipment?
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Lachlann

You're absolutely right, Elwood. It doesn't make the dysphoria any less but its true. And yes, bio males can be very sensitive with the right upbringing and personality. :)

And you're definitely right about women questioning if they're lesbians or not. My ex did the very same thing when we were going out but as she learnt more about what it means to be trans, she started to understand that it didn't make her lesbian. So I think its only natural for a straight woman who is unfamiliar with trans to seriously ponder whether shes a lesbian or not because its not something other people really think of.

But I hate it as much as you. I don't want to be seen as lesbian, I want to be seen as a (straight) male. I guess we have to take it from their perspective.

Women... no... people are attracted to others who are confident in themselves and secure within themselves. Its all about security within yourself. It doesn't matter how masculine or feminine you act or are, its how secure you are in yourself that attracts people. If you get that security about yourself down, then you've essentially got it made.

Boost up your self confidence.
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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Elwood

Quote from: Nero on August 24, 2008, 05:21:16 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 05:14:52 PM
I personally am interested in people of all kinds. I am, however, getting very comfortable with girls. So much that I'm starting to feel that cisgendered males aren't worth it. My dating scope is being limited to females, androgynes, and transmales. Females includes transgirls, of course.

Transmales are not "less men" than cisgendered males, but I feel like they'll respect my boundaries more.

So you don't mind that transguys don't have the equipment?
Not at all, actually. I've really started to think penises aren't very important (on other people, anyway, I still really want my own). Since I don't want to be penetrated vaginally, I almost feel safer if a guy doesn't have a penis.

Quote from: Monty on August 24, 2008, 05:22:17 PMYou're absolutely right, Elwood. It doesn't make the dysphoria any less but its true. And yes, bio males can be very sensitive with the right upbringing and personality. :)

And you're definitely right about women questioning if they're lesbians or not. My ex did the very same thing when we were going out but as she learnt more about what it means to be trans, she started to understand that it didn't make her lesbian. So I think its only natural for a straight woman who is unfamiliar with trans to seriously ponder whether shes a lesbian or not because its not something other people really think of.

But I hate it as much as you. I don't want to be seen as lesbian, I want to be seen as a (straight) male. I guess we have to take it from their perspective.

Women... no... people are attracted to others who are confident in themselves and secure within themselves. Its all about security within yourself. It doesn't matter how masculine or feminine you act or are, its how secure you are in yourself that attracts people. If you get that security about yourself down, then you've essentially got it made.

Boost up your self confidence.
Yeah. I'm not a lesbian. If I was a girl, I wouldn't mind being called a lesbian. But I don't identify as female. I have no stigma against lesbians. In fact, a lot of them are really great and I might date one. They can be converted into straight girls if they're with a transman, lol. I've seen it happen so many times.

People are quite attracted to me as a person. They say I'm really courageous and strong and a deep thinker. Those are all great things to hear, but no one really sees me as a potential partner. It's so frustrating sometimes, lol. They all think I'm some saint but they don't want to be close to me. xD Again, it's probably because I look like pedo bait.
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Lachlann

Ugh, I know what you mean about the pedo-bait stuff. A couple weeks back while I checked into a store for an application and was about to leave, they called back and asked the dreaded question...

"Wait! How old are you?"

"... I'm 19."

"Oh, ok."

The thing is, male or female, I look young for my age. I guess you and me will have to wait for T in the meantime. D:
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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Elwood

Quote from: Monty on August 24, 2008, 05:41:31 PMUgh, I know what you mean about the pedo-bait stuff. A couple weeks back while I checked into a store for an application and was about to leave, they called back and asked the dreaded question...

"Wait! How old are you?"

"... I'm 19."

"Oh, ok."

The thing is, male or female, I look young for my age. I guess you and me will have to wait for T in the meantime. D:
Same here. I am small. My hands and feet and arms and legs... all very small. Child sized. I shop in boy's. I'm wearing SMALL boy's underwear-- SMALL. I wear a boy's medium shirt and a boy's 14 pants. I have one pair of 16s that fit.

In women's I fit small in clothes and extra small in underwear. I recently found I fit a "5" in women's panties, whatever that means. I wear girl's underwear under my boy's underwear during periods with pads for extra security. The worst thing in the world would be to be a passing boy who bleeds on his period.

Right now I'm wearing a medium GIRL'S tank top under my shirt. It is not very tight. It acts a a binder, sort of. It smooths things down instead of flattening. I'm trying to keep the breast tissue healthy and elastic, so I don't put a lot of pressure on it.

This morning I weighed 78 lbs. I weighed myself before breakfast, after I peed, with only underwear on. Normally in the day I weigh around 80. That's still much lower than I used to be. I used to be 85. The highest I've ever weighed was 87.
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icontact

Dang Dan, you're tiny! :o
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Jack Daniels

You know, Hazard, my mom thinks the same thing, but I ve never been in a relationship, either. But then again, I myself am too ashamed of my own body to even be in one. But you should know your mom is wrong, yet also that sometimes it might to be to find someone accepting of you, cause where I live, there seems to be no one. And even though Im in college(which is traditionally quite liberal), there doesnt seem to be anyone here either, but maybe Im just not lookin hard enough. I mean most people at the college are cool with gays, lesbians,but not trans. And therefore, they all fail at life. But Im tired of people thinkin Im a little kid, damaging to the ego.

Anyways, these things are hard to deal with and Im mainly always depressed, too. My advice is to keep talkin to people, and have a expressive outlook like music, art, writing. That should help, my guitar has saved me plently of times, and plus its healthy and doesnt destroy my liver, or body. And dont get into abusive habits either, cause it will make the whole transition process probably harder, if they believe you to be unstable.
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Elwood

Quote from: freespeechz on August 24, 2008, 05:48:18 PMDang Dan, you're tiny! :o
Now you understand why I complain about being small.  :icon_eek: I'm not just whining for kicks!
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Rhye

I saw a guy littler than you at work yesterday, Dan. He was in his fifties, about 4'5, and probably weighed less than my ten year old sister. Dude was macho, though, until he started cooing over the cuddly little bunnies.
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Lachlann

Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 05:45:50 PM
Same here. I am small. My hands and feet and arms and legs... all very small. Child sized. I shop in boy's. I'm wearing SMALL boy's underwear-- SMALL. I wear a boy's medium shirt and a boy's 14 pants. I have one pair of 16s that fit.

In women's I fit small in clothes and extra small in underwear. I recently found I fit a "5" in women's panties, whatever that means. I wear girl's underwear under my boy's underwear during periods with pads for extra security. The worst thing in the world would be to be a passing boy who bleeds on his period.

Right now I'm wearing a medium GIRL'S tank top under my shirt. It is not very tight. It acts a a binder, sort of. It smooths things down instead of flattening. I'm trying to keep the breast tissue healthy and elastic, so I don't put a lot of pressure on it.

This morning I weighed 78 lbs. I weighed myself before breakfast, after I peed, with only underwear on. Normally in the day I weigh around 80. That's still much lower than I used to be. I used to be 85. The highest I've ever weighed was 87.
Yeah, I'm quite small too. Men's small or boy's large/medium is what I have to fit myself into... and sometimes I can't even get into the men's small. I also have these really slender girly hands and it drives me crazy. I'd like them if they didn't look so feminine.

And you are quite thin. For my height, the lowest I've ever been was 94lbs and I got really sick... I'm now 114lbs and 5'7". I'm hoping T will help me put on more weight. I'd like to fill out some more if I'm not going to be very tall. It sucks being skinny and on the shorter side. But I guess its that confidence thing again.

I'm just going to get a binder myself, because I measured my breasts and I seem to be 1 or 2 cm's off from the smallest size. So I figure it wont damage the tissue.
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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Elwood

Quote from: Monty on August 24, 2008, 06:05:03 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 05:45:50 PMSame here. I am small. My hands and feet and arms and legs... all very small. Child sized. I shop in boy's. I'm wearing SMALL boy's underwear-- SMALL. I wear a boy's medium shirt and a boy's 14 pants. I have one pair of 16s that fit.

In women's I fit small in clothes and extra small in underwear. I recently found I fit a "5" in women's panties, whatever that means. I wear girl's underwear under my boy's underwear during periods with pads for extra security. The worst thing in the world would be to be a passing boy who bleeds on his period.

Right now I'm wearing a medium GIRL'S tank top under my shirt. It is not very tight. It acts a a binder, sort of. It smooths things down instead of flattening. I'm trying to keep the breast tissue healthy and elastic, so I don't put a lot of pressure on it.

This morning I weighed 78 lbs. I weighed myself before breakfast, after I peed, with only underwear on. Normally in the day I weigh around 80. That's still much lower than I used to be. I used to be 85. The highest I've ever weighed was 87.
Yeah, I'm quite small too. Men's small or boy's large/medium is what I have to fit myself into... and sometimes I can't even get into the men's small. I also have these really slender girly hands and it drives me crazy. I'd like them if they didn't look so feminine.

And you are quite thin. For my height, the lowest I've ever been was 94lbs and I got really sick... I'm now 114lbs and 5'7". I'm hoping T will help me put on more weight. I'd like to fill out some more if I'm not going to be very tall. It sucks being skinny and on the shorter side. But I guess its that confidence thing again.

I'm just going to get a binder myself, because I measured my breasts and I seem to be 1 or 2 cm's off from the smallest size. So I figure it wont damage the tissue.
My dad's a men's small. I dream of the day when I can fit into men's clothes. I'm kind of sick of wearing kid's clothes. The fashions are totally different.

I personally wouldn't complain if I was 5'7". That's a good height to be.

I was thinking of getting a compression shirt. I might get something like that for swimming. I want to be able to pass while I'm learning how to swim (yes, I can't swim, and I need to learn as soon as possible). But I will never bind all the time. Not unless my boobs get to be a B. Then I'll bind regardless, probably. I pretty much won't bind as long as I pass without binding.

You're maybe a AA, then? I'm an A cup.
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Mister

Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 05:00:45 PM
I know quite a few transguys who are with straight women. What your mom said is completely untrue. In my experience, it's harder for transguys to date gay men (that aren't also trans).

Wow, I have to completely disagree with this statement!  My few forays into gay bars (or bars in general) have proven completely the opposite.  Gay men are totally into FTMs!  Set foot in any bar here in SF and you'll see what I mean.
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Lachlann

Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 24, 2008, 06:05:03 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 05:45:50 PMSame here. I am small. My hands and feet and arms and legs... all very small. Child sized. I shop in boy's. I'm wearing SMALL boy's underwear-- SMALL. I wear a boy's medium shirt and a boy's 14 pants. I have one pair of 16s that fit.

In women's I fit small in clothes and extra small in underwear. I recently found I fit a "5" in women's panties, whatever that means. I wear girl's underwear under my boy's underwear during periods with pads for extra security. The worst thing in the world would be to be a passing boy who bleeds on his period.

Right now I'm wearing a medium GIRL'S tank top under my shirt. It is not very tight. It acts a a binder, sort of. It smooths things down instead of flattening. I'm trying to keep the breast tissue healthy and elastic, so I don't put a lot of pressure on it.

This morning I weighed 78 lbs. I weighed myself before breakfast, after I peed, with only underwear on. Normally in the day I weigh around 80. That's still much lower than I used to be. I used to be 85. The highest I've ever weighed was 87.
Yeah, I'm quite small too. Men's small or boy's large/medium is what I have to fit myself into... and sometimes I can't even get into the men's small. I also have these really slender girly hands and it drives me crazy. I'd like them if they didn't look so feminine.

And you are quite thin. For my height, the lowest I've ever been was 94lbs and I got really sick... I'm now 114lbs and 5'7". I'm hoping T will help me put on more weight. I'd like to fill out some more if I'm not going to be very tall. It sucks being skinny and on the shorter side. But I guess its that confidence thing again.

I'm just going to get a binder myself, because I measured my breasts and I seem to be 1 or 2 cm's off from the smallest size. So I figure it wont damage the tissue.
My dad's a men's small. I dream of the day when I can fit into men's clothes. I'm kind of sick of wearing kid's clothes. The fashions are totally different.

I personally wouldn't complain if I was 5'7". That's a good height to be.

I was thinking of getting a compression shirt. I might get something like that for swimming. I want to be able to pass while I'm learning how to swim (yes, I can't swim, and I need to learn as soon as possible). But I will never bind all the time. Not unless my boobs get to be a B. Then I'll bind regardless, probably. I pretty much won't bind as long as I pass without binding.

You're maybe a AA, then? I'm an A cup.
Yeah, at the moment I'm stuck in between. I have to get my pants from boys but I can get most shirts as men's small.

Yeah, 5'7" is pretty decent. It could be worse.

I'm not sure exactly what size of cup I am exactly but I know I'm an A. I'm 27inches/68.5cm around.
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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Elwood

Quote from: Mister on August 24, 2008, 07:02:41 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 05:00:45 PMI know quite a few transguys who are with straight women. What your mom said is completely untrue. In my experience, it's harder for transguys to date gay men (that aren't also trans).
Wow, I have to completely disagree with this statement!  My few forays into gay bars (or bars in general) have proven completely the opposite.  Gay men are totally into FTMs!  Set foot in any bar here in SF and you'll see what I mean.
You are post op. You pass "100%." Do they know you're trans and that you don't have a penis? Or did you have phallo?

I'm talking about FtMs that don't have penises because most of us don't.

Quote from: Monty on August 24, 2008, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Monty on August 24, 2008, 06:05:03 PM
Quote from: Elwood on August 24, 2008, 05:45:50 PMSame here. I am small. My hands and feet and arms and legs... all very small. Child sized. I shop in boy's. I'm wearing SMALL boy's underwear-- SMALL. I wear a boy's medium shirt and a boy's 14 pants. I have one pair of 16s that fit.

In women's I fit small in clothes and extra small in underwear. I recently found I fit a "5" in women's panties, whatever that means. I wear girl's underwear under my boy's underwear during periods with pads for extra security. The worst thing in the world would be to be a passing boy who bleeds on his period.

Right now I'm wearing a medium GIRL'S tank top under my shirt. It is not very tight. It acts a a binder, sort of. It smooths things down instead of flattening. I'm trying to keep the breast tissue healthy and elastic, so I don't put a lot of pressure on it.

This morning I weighed 78 lbs. I weighed myself before breakfast, after I peed, with only underwear on. Normally in the day I weigh around 80. That's still much lower than I used to be. I used to be 85. The highest I've ever weighed was 87.
Yeah, I'm quite small too. Men's small or boy's large/medium is what I have to fit myself into... and sometimes I can't even get into the men's small. I also have these really slender girly hands and it drives me crazy. I'd like them if they didn't look so feminine.

And you are quite thin. For my height, the lowest I've ever been was 94lbs and I got really sick... I'm now 114lbs and 5'7". I'm hoping T will help me put on more weight. I'd like to fill out some more if I'm not going to be very tall. It sucks being skinny and on the shorter side. But I guess its that confidence thing again.

I'm just going to get a binder myself, because I measured my breasts and I seem to be 1 or 2 cm's off from the smallest size. So I figure it wont damage the tissue.
My dad's a men's small. I dream of the day when I can fit into men's clothes. I'm kind of sick of wearing kid's clothes. The fashions are totally different.

I personally wouldn't complain if I was 5'7". That's a good height to be.

I was thinking of getting a compression shirt. I might get something like that for swimming. I want to be able to pass while I'm learning how to swim (yes, I can't swim, and I need to learn as soon as possible). But I will never bind all the time. Not unless my boobs get to be a B. Then I'll bind regardless, probably. I pretty much won't bind as long as I pass without binding.

You're maybe a AA, then? I'm an A cup.
Yeah, at the moment I'm stuck in between. I have to get my pants from boys but I can get most shirts as men's small.

Yeah, 5'7" is pretty decent. It could be worse.

I'm not sure exactly what size of cup I am exactly but I know I'm an A. I'm 27inches/68.5cm around.
Oh, Well, I'm also picky. I want the shirt to fit properly. Not too big for the shoulders. If it is, it dwarfs me and makes me look even smaller.

AA is the smallest cup size I'm aware of.
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