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too early to bind?

Started by hizmom, August 29, 2008, 07:37:08 AM

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Aiden

Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:49:56 PM
Bras are abonminal in my eyes, and Aiden, I feel like youre mockin me :)kind of funny,, but my pyhce is so far up my ass that I just can, but refuse, only when I take a shower( hmm... that made no sense)

And its not uncomfatable(why why the spellin)


Not mocking you.  I just don't really understand I guess
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Jack Daniels

Its cool, I find it kind of funny. Just listening to the conversation. Like common sense,which I have none(since geniuses have none) Man, I must sound like an ass too
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hizmom

i will tell you that the first time he talked about binding
i was not so much dead set against it as i was concerned
about ... wait for .... lymphatic drainage....

the constricting nature of a binder inhibits what
i KNOW to be a vital mechanism so i am a real
hard-@ss when it comes to how long i will let
him wear the garment.....

i had not really given a lot of thought
to the possibility of other implications

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Jay

Personally I have larger breasts and only bind when going out of the house.. all it has done is made my boobs sagg and my back ache if I wear it long enough.. other than that.. thats it.

I have only slept in it once. Purley because I was way to drunk to move so had to... woke up with a bad back.. I would never recommened sleeping in it or getting a binder thats to tight either.

I agree with Jay/Dennis here because it is bascially like a sports bra but on the smaller side he he >:D


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Aiden

Quote from: Jay on August 30, 2008, 09:48:22 AM
Personally I have larger breasts and only bind when going out of the house.. all it has done is made my boobs sagg and my back ache if I wear it long enough.. other than that.. thats it.

I have only slept in it once. Purley because I was way to drunk to move so had to... woke up with a bad back.. I would never recommened sleeping in it or getting a binder thats to tight either.

I agree with Jay/Dennis here because it is bascially like a sports bra but on the smaller side he he >:D

Yep same here.  though wondering if my newest binder might been to small when got it.  If it was it's not so much now LOL  and it binds real well.  And the back problems worse...  always had backproblems but now bothers me more :(
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Mister

Quote from: hizmom on August 30, 2008, 09:17:38 AM
i will tell you that the first time he talked about binding
i was not so much dead set against it as i was concerned
about ... wait for .... lymphatic drainage....

the constricting nature of a binder inhibits what
i KNOW to be a vital mechanism so i am a real
hard-@ss when it comes to how long i will let
him wear the garment.....

i had not really given a lot of thought
to the possibility of other implications



Lymphatic drainage is on the list of why you shouldn't bind 24/7, hizmom.  It's also on the list of why you shouldn't wear bras to sleep, too.  Breasts are not designed to be restrained- proper lymphatic drainage is dependent on the jiggle.  So no matter if it's binder or bra, you gotta  let 'em free every now and again. :)
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Aiden

hmm didn't know about the lymphatic deal.  and din;t know wasn;t supposed wear bra 24/7 either.  I used to after the reduction surgery several years ago
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Elwood

Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:42:32 PMI cant help it... Now I need to get that surgery as soon as possible
That's all in your head. No dysphoria should ever make a guy be self destructive in his coping process. You need to seek therapy instead of surgery. A therapist can help you cope so you can sleep without a binder. Your health should always come first.

Posted on: August 30, 2008, 12:43:40 PM
It's hard to say. My mother forbids me from binding. I'm lucky in the sense that I don't feel a need to. I wear a tank top underneath to "flatten" the pointed shape of my breasts, but I don't put a massive amount of pressure on them like binding does. The only reason I do this and not bind is because I am certain that compressed binding would affect my surgery in a negative way.
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emoboi

well i bind and dont have a big chest but it makes everything flat i hate the lump on me when i dont bind and im kind of young too
Spoopy poopie
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Jack Daniels

Quote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:42:32 PMI cant help it... Now I need to get that surgery as soon as possible
That's all in your head. No dysphoria should ever make a guy be self destructive in his coping process. You need to seek therapy instead of surgery. A therapist can help you cope so you can sleep without a binder. Your health should always come first.

Posted on: August 30, 2008, 12:43:40 PM




My health comes second, actually. I see no point in living if I must continue as this.
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Mister

Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 31, 2008, 12:42:40 AM
Quote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:42:32 PMI cant help it... Now I need to get that surgery as soon as possible
That's all in your head. No dysphoria should ever make a guy be self destructive in his coping process. You need to seek therapy instead of surgery. A therapist can help you cope so you can sleep without a binder. Your health should always come first.

Posted on: August 30, 2008, 12:43:40 PM


My health comes second, actually. I see no point in living if I must continue as this.

Mr Daniels, I am going to encourage you now to seek therapy ASAP.  If you cannot find or afford one, please send me your approximate geographic location and I will help you find a free/cheap trans-friendly resource (or two!) to use.  Statements such as the one above should not be taken lightly or made in jest- if this is truly how you feel, please take action to find a healthy outlet NOW.
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Jack Daniels

I already go to therapy, just started last thursday, so Im great, just alittle extreme and unstable.
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Elwood

Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 31, 2008, 12:42:40 AMMy health comes second, actually. I see no point in living if I must continue as this.
That's what a guy says when he refuses to use what's between his ears. You need therapy. Transmen can't be mindless and live only on their impulses. To transition takes guts and brains. You need a therapist to help you organize your mind so you can use that brain.

Health if priority. An unhealthy man's transition will be of lesser quality.
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trannyboy

I am going to be disagreed with most but binding young is bad and worse then as an adult. If you bind tight (it might hurt but be the only emotionally comfortable way), for long periods (i.e. only remove it for showering or sleeping), wear it for more then 3 years during puberty or adolescence or bind more then just your chest (i.e diaphram) then it could be a serious problem.

When ever you have youth who is binding, you stand the chance of malformed bones from the constant pressure, inflamed soft tissue between ribs, upper and lower respiratory infections and damaging the underlying chest muscles. I suffered all of these problems binding since they showed up at puberty. I only stopped after surgery. There is even a group of scientists that have suggested that some breast cancers are caused by bras interfering with lymph drainage. I personally don't know about that but if it is true FTMs who bind would be at a far greater risk.

Nothing would have changed for me as I knew the risks. You can try to slow down the effects by doing lung drainage similar to that used for those with cystic fibrosis. I know youth who have tried or succeeded in killing them selves when the option to bind was removed from them others just went to tape. I think the option of short term binding combined with prompt surgery should eliminate or change those risks.

->-bleeped-<-boy
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hizmom

what we have going on is a collaborative
and hopefully sensible agreement about binding

for sure, he never sleeps in the garment...
i do not insist but i advocate for no more than
15 hour days.... which will happen because of
school and after school activities....

i guess we just try to be alert to problems
as soon as they arise, and use the best judgment
we can manage ...

i appreciate the dialog....
you lads are awesome....

please be careful with yourselves....
i know this is hard, but count me in your
cheering section.....

(((all))))
amy~
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Elwood

He should take it off when he gets home to relax. I wear what I wear (it's not actually a binder, just a tank top) only when I'm out. Squishing these things only helps me pass. It doesn't help me feel better. They're still there. I don't need to pass in the privacy of my own home.
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Jack Daniels

Quote from: Elwood on August 31, 2008, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 31, 2008, 12:42:40 AMMy health comes second, actually. I see no point in living if I must continue as this.
That's what a guy says when he refuses to use what's between his ears. You need therapy. Transmen can't be mindless and live only on their impulses. To transition takes guts and brains. You need a therapist to help you organize your mind so you can use that brain.

Health if priority. An unhealthy man's transition will be of lesser quality.

I dont live on impulses, and I already go to therapy. You make me seem like a head case...or ... what I said makes you see me as a head case, therefore you write as though I am one... And my great mind goes to waste in this body, as do the talents, personality,ect. I mean my whole  life ive been unstable ill admit but im tryin to really work on it.(somewhat) Its wierd, kind of like a contridiction because Im unstable, yet I overthink everything too much, plus the isolation, anti-socialness(which is a nicer way of sayin pyscopath, i wonder why they changed the name cause its the same, like bipolar and manic-depressant are the same.oh well...) I fail but I failed when I was borne. If only my mom got an abortion...Too late for that now

Posted on: September 01, 2008, 06:09:37 PM
Just tell your son the affects and risks assocaited with it,make sure he completely understands before getting into it.
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Elwood

You did honestly sound a tad like a headcase in that moment, yes...

I feel like I failed when I was born as well. Born female. It was all wrong. But... I'm going to just keep breathing. I eager to see if my life will get better... or if it can get any worse.
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Jack Daniels

At least were both on the same page, we both "failed" at life when we were borne. God damn it
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hizmom

i look at my lad and do not see failure!!!

i see challenge and opportunity..... uninvited maybe, unwelcome likely
but by no means would i ever leave unrebuked
any kind of message about his situation as failure.....

a miscue, a biological lapse in specificity.....
a defect? ugh! sure why not, but a failure? never!

the failure belongs to society, to culture, to bias and bigotry!
failure to look for the common denominator of humanity in all
the varieties of gender/sexual inclinations and proclivities

each statistic represents a human life....
failure is linked to the disregard of that reality

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