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Coming out and pronoun/name use

Started by Natalie W, September 02, 2008, 05:13:12 PM

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Natalie W

I'm planning on coming out for to some of my friends once we all get back in town and settled after evacuating from Gustav.  I've read somewhere or another that it's best to have people switch the pronouns and name they use right away to avoid confusion and for them to use it all the time. Do y'all agree with this?  Or would it be better to have them call me Natalie and she only when it's just us?  I could see how that could be confusing, but I also think that having my friends always use the correct pronouns might cause people I haven't come out to yet to be confused.
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Janet_Girl

I am now at the point in my transition that I am correcting people that I am friends with.  Full time is around the corner, and name change is day after tomorrow.

They are slowly learning.  I feel the sooner the better.

IMHO,
Janet
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Aiden

Dono.  I've started with the name use but haven't moved far with the pronoun use yet.  Figure give them baby steps.
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Rhye

I'm planning to come out, let it sink in while I start transition, and then when I start living full-time, I will ask everyone to use the right pronouns at once, instead of asking my friends, digging that, then asking my teachers, holding out awhile more, then asking my family..

I'm not sure where you are. If it would cause issues to come out and ask to use pronouns now, then I'd hold off til you can come out more fully to everybody who needs to know. If it's not a big deal, then by all means, pronouns now. Whatever works.
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Aiden

Already know family won't use my name and pronoun.  They refuse to accept that I know what I am doing. 
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Walelia2

I think that you should make solid "rules" that you are comfortable with. I don't know what to refer to my SO as, but I never use masculine compliments anymore.
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DeValInDisguise

I sort of changed things as I progressed through transition.  At the beginning, when only a few people knew, it was only when I was dressed in women's clothes.  Then after I told the kids it was whenever we were around the house (unless uninformed guests were over) or we were out with me as Val.  Then I went full time pretty quickly after that.

So it was all situational, but I made sure that everyone knew up front.  Of course it helped that I didn't have a lot going on at the time - not a ton of friends or social activities mixing groups of friends.

Val
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Natalie W

Thanks for the replies and advice everyone.  I'm still not sure exactly what I'm going to do about pronouns, but I think I'll have them start calling me Natalie now so they can get used to it before I go full time.
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sarahb

Before I went full-time I still allowed everyone to call me by male pronouns and my old name. I'm glad I did this as it would have been way too confusing for people since every situation before going full-time doesn't call for the right pronouns. When meeting new people for instance, it would be really awkward for me and my friends to be referring to me as she and her when the other person most likely saw he and him. Once I was really close to going full-time though, like a month or a few weeks away, I started weaning them into the correct pronouns. It worked out well for me and all of them switched to the new name and pronouns relatively smoothly.

On the flip side of that I had my girlfriend at the time who, when we were alone or I went out as a girl before going full-time, would call me Sarah but would call me by my male name when with friends who I hadn't told yet or with new people we met. This became extremely confusing for both of us as we always had to think about our surrounding and consciously decide on the correct pronouns. It becomes tiresome.

I would say stick to the old name/pronouns until your full-time date is relatively close, at which point them calling you by the new name/pronouns isn't such a big deal anyways since you'll be full-time soon.
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Liann

28 years ago I changed my boy-name to a different boy-name and there are still people, family and "friends" who refer to me by the old boy-name.

Some people are never going to get it.

A couple of decades ago I lived nearly full time as a girl for a couple of years (before going back in the closet which I regret now very deeply). I tweezed my brows, dyed and permed my long hair very curly femme. My old friends I saw in androgyne drag, a few new acquaintances saw me en femme, and never the twain did meet. New guys met me with a femme name and that's all they knew -- no confusion there.

My old boy-name (recent name) with a letter or two changed is androgyne or femme (Lian is boy/girl, and Liann is girly). That new spelling and  pronounciation goes on my next driver's license, along with a new picture of my dyed long hair with some femme makeup. Here in California it takes nothing more than filling in the name blank on an application to get your preferred name on the DL, but the F sex-marker checkbox takes SRS.

That's how I'm doing it. New people will know me as her, old people will know him, and I can still perk up my head when my name is called either way, they are close enough in pronounciation.


Until you get the SRS you are legally still M, after SRS you are legally F. The correct pronoun is the legal pronoun for legal situations. You can use preferential pronouns in casual situations, but you can't insist on it.

You can inform people that you are offended by their failure to recognize your gender identity when displayed so overtly what your preference is, and that you will terminate relationships with them unless they cease deliberate offensive behaviors. Those whom don't take the warning are not worth continuing in your life -- there are 6,000,000,000 people on Earth and you can find in that crowd ones whom are better companions and friends than thickheads.

They say you can pick your friends but not your relatives. Actually you can pick both, and ignore those who don't like you. In this world you can pick your sex, and nobody gets more say on that decision than you do. There's nothing wrong with picking the sex which you prefer and living it. Anything else is outmoded obsolete thinking, and you shouldn't feel obligated to respect it. There is nothing wrong with your decision and nobody else has the right to make you feel bad, or even awkward, about it.

Half the world is female -- there's nothing bad or wrong about that. Making you feel guilty about choosing to be female implies there is something wrong about choosing female. How can there be anything wrong? -- every person alive was born from a woman, so how can that be a bad thing, to be a woman?

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