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Is the SRS hideous painfull?

Started by goingdown, October 04, 2008, 08:42:55 AM

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Jeannette

What if it's hideous painful? would it stop you from having it? isn't the question kinda ironic if you think about the pain you've got to put up with day by day in a body that isn't yours?
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goingdown

I agree. The pain would be nothing comparing what kind of suffering TS is. I just want to be prepared that it is not a surprise how much pain it causes.
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Sandy

Quote from: Cindi Jones on October 05, 2008, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: goingdown on October 05, 2008, 03:23:09 AM
Quote from: Cindi Jones on October 04, 2008, 03:46:10 PM
Yes.  Don't do it.

Cindi

Really. It has been my goal for so many years. I should just hope that I can get it before it is banned/ made more difficult to get (with Zucker criters I am not a transsexual

Not really.  But I will try and discourage everyone and anyone from going through with it.  You need to be really sure.  In terms of other surgeries that I've had, it was no worse.  In fact it was somewhat easier than some.  I did not have FFS.  I suspect that FFS would be much more painful.

Cindi
I think what Cindi is getting at here is that if there is literally ANY thing you can do instead of SRS, that will keep your mind and life together, then do that.

Most, if not all, of transsexuals that go through the whole process of transition, not just SRS, are prepared to sacrifice EVERYTHING in order to be whole.  We are prepared to, turn our backs on careers, friends, family and fortune in order to be who we truly are.  If you are not prepared to do that, then do not go down this path.

By inference, then, the pain associated with surgery is a minor component to the transition process.  If you have prepared yourself for the goal of transitioning, then acceptance of some physical pain is acknowledged.

BTW: I had an orchiectomy prior to my SRS and neither were very painful.  More discomfort than anything else.  But then again, I have had some very painful procedures in my life not associated with my transition so I have some perspective to put it in.  I do know of a couple of friends of mine who had never been in the hospital before and they went through the operation with no real problem with pain.  As I mentioned before, FFS is much more painful.  There are many more nerves in the face then just about anywhere else in the body.  And each one of them will scream after the operation.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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TreeFlower

For MTF it feels like jumping off a second story roof and landing crotch first on a fence post.  Then the doctor leaves the fence post (packing) in for 3-4 days.  But its a good pain.  Like childbirth.
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deviousxen

Quote from: TreeFlower on October 15, 2008, 09:57:26 AM
For MTF it feels like jumping off a second story roof and landing crotch first on a fence post.  Then the doctor leaves the fence post (packing) in for 3-4 days.  But its a good pain.  Like childbirth.


That makes me feel wonderful....
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cindybc

Hi Deviousxen, "hee, hee, hee." You sound truly enthusiastic, like you just swallowed a half dozen canaries complete with the feathers or something, *coughs feathers.* Don't worry hon, it ain't quite that bad, well it certainly isn't a party either. From what I hear from everyone else it appears everyone experiences it differently at varying degrees of pain, like just numb to....well the fence post thing.

Cindy   
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deviousxen

Quote from: cindybc on October 16, 2008, 12:16:19 AM
Hi Deviousxen, "hee, hee, hee." You sound truly enthusiastic, like you just swallowed a half dozen canaries complete with the feathers or something, *coughs feathers.* Don't worry hon, it ain't quite that bad, well it certainly isn't a party either. From what I hear from everyone else it appears everyone experiences it differently at varying degrees of pain, like just numb to....well the fence post thing.

Cindy   

The fact my sense of humor isn't going that far doesn't make me negative, it makes me sane.

I totally wanna cry right now...
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cindybc

Hi Deviousxen, Awwwww so sorry hon, forgive me, I didn't meant to upset you. It is a big deal though and I wish I could help you by saying that it will be fine and you won't feel any pain, If I did I would be a liar. And just how painful, again like I said before, everyone has a different pain threshold, it appears. For me, tweren't realy no big deal outside of slowing me down some from my usual overactive self. and there is time into maintenance involved as well.

Cindy   
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pennyjane

treeflower...you hit the nail on the head, or something very similar...but...i'd do it again tomorrow.
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TreeFlower

Quote from: pennyjane on October 17, 2008, 08:48:46 PM
treeflower...you hit the nail on the head, or something very similar...but...i'd do it again tomorrow.

So would I  :)
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cindybc

No tanks.

I have the rest of my life to live as Cindy now. It's been a wonderful adventure but it ain't over yet and I thank Universe for my good health. I only pray I can teach others to embrace their own adventure.

Cindy
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pennyjane

hi sandy, <still praying with hope>.  i think you're right about being willing to sacrifice everything.  i think we really do have to be prepared for that.  fortunately, and more and more so, it usually doesn't cost it all.

i wonder sometimes where i would have been if my annie hadn't been so supportive and understanding.  would it have ever come to the point where i'd be willing to sacrifice her?  i'd like to think "no", but in all honesty i was getting to a place where sanity, and even life itself, was coming into jeopardy.  i praise my God everyday that i never had to face that dilemna in reality.

i think one of the fundamental reasons we come to that place in our lives so often, transsexuals that is, is that our perspective, knowledge and information about transition is so weak.  the very fact that we know we might lose it all, that we might horribly harm people we love by transitioning, is enough to drive a lot of people crazy in itself.

i believe in service.  service to our fellow human beings is really about all life is worth to me.  it is my life's goal anymore to just do what i can to personally be a part of altering that dynamic in a positive way.  to be a part of bringing our society along to a point where we <transsexuals> don't have to make such choices...<transition or die> <transition and lose everything and everyone>.  my life is about making transition for my transexual successors only about medical stuff.  where the biggest problems are health and physical status.  seeing a world where transition is accpeted as a medical need like so many others.  i have a small gift for sharing one on one with some girls and sometimes even do some good with that, but my big gift is demonstating a positive model of transsexualism to the greater society.

it's not a great thing, i haven't the skills and abilities to affect the world outside of my life here in this small town.  so it's here...it's my everyday life that i share with people here that i do the most good.  sure, it's not much in the greater scheme of things...but just a few years ago the idea that i could affect any positive change in any way was not even a possiblity in my mind.  it's folks who hold only the narrow stereotype of us that i can affect.  not those with blistering hate, those with well constructed bigoty...i can't do any more with them then the next girl...but where i think i contribute is among those who...well...hold a negative opinion, but not with much depth.

my transition has not cost me everything.  it has been nowhere near the painful experience i imagined in my ignorance.  i did lose things, important things at the time, but what i have lost is but a tiny speck compared to what i have gained.  every aspect of my life is better.  it's all been affected in a positive way.  that is what i want to share with those of us in the ts sorority.  it's  not like it used to be, there are more and more people out there who are willing to give you an honest shot if you're willing to take it.

not to long ago our church offered a six week seminar aimed at identifying what our spiritual goals were so we might make some consicious efforts to attain some of them.  i could think of no greater goal then just this:  since i have transitioned, and everyone knows of my past and my gender status i want to live long enough and remain firm enough in myself so that when the children of our chruch leave home to pursue their own lives...they will never remember a time when there wasn't a transwoman sitting there in the pews with everyone else every sunday moring.  worshiping just like all the rest.  singing the hymns, reciting the lithurgy, getting involved in chruch affairs and loving them, nurturing them in just the same way as all the rest.  so to these people having transsexuals, and others who have significant differences from the norm, in their midst won't be a source of discomfort for them, just a matter of indifference...as in, "yes...and...?"

and to accomplish this what do i have to do?  nothing special, just live and be me, out in the light.
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Sandy

Penny!

I could have not said any more eloquently or thoughtfully!  We have so much in common.  I too wish to serve, to be a standard by which others may see the truth.  My family any myself are also members of a church that is very understanding.  And the small children there just see us as just loving people just like everyone else.  You are doing the same thing right now.  I would call that your ministry.  And you seem very good at it.  Never discount the small effort or the one-on-one encounter.  They can move mountains.

Pat and I thank you for your prayers really they are helping as much as the most powerful medicine.

Thank you.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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cindybc

Hmmm, since we are on the subjects of performing deeds, beliefs, and determination of will, this is my two cents' worth.

Material things? I lost everything that was of value to me long before I started the journey to transitioning. My life was a nasty desperation. I had my three kids taken away and lost a half-million-dollar piece of property that was an inheritance from my mother and father. I moved all over the place drinking alcoholically for several years, then I finally sobered-up while living on the streets of a city in central Ontario.

Even during my drinking years, while living on the street, I was always trying to help another when I was unable to fully look after myself. After I sobered-up I trained as a Social Worker and worked with the unfortunate for the last twenty years. I guess one can call it dumb luck or maybe I was blessed.

During the last twelve years I learned much about just who Cindy is. Yes, I am quite grateful for having talked with a certain Anglican minister. She was the one who helped get me off the street and 9 years later she helped me to find who resided within.

I have never been a religious person but I consider myself spiritual, and I have been out there under dangerous conditions trying to help another soul, such as a mom and children get out of the home without getting killed by an irate, abusive husband. These rescue missions came unannounced at all hours of the morning and night, and I would still show up for work during the day.

Now I have been retired for the last two years and here again I am back doing the same type of work. Did I lose material stuff? Did I lose family? Did I lose friends? Yes. But then I had already lost all these years before I ever started transitioning. But I gained more than I ever lost when I put the cork back on the bottle and decided to be me at any cost. What cost? I have been blessed, and I have been rewarded ten-fold for what good I have done. To me the greatest reward is not monetary, it is a smile on the gaunt face of one who hasn't eaten a substantial meal for a very long time.

I live comfortably, and my love and I are not wanting for anything and we have many good friends here. I believe that for as long as I can still stand on my two legs I will be in the business of working with folks in need.   

But what do I know? I'm just a reformed old street bum.
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Sandy

Quote from: cindybc on October 19, 2008, 02:25:28 AM
But what do I know? I'm just a reformed old street bum.

Sounds more like a saint to me!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Northern Jane

Quote from: pennyjane on October 17, 2008, 08:48:46 PM..but...i'd do it again tomorrow.

If I were a teenager again with 1/10th of the knowledge of what life would be like after transition/SRS, I would be screaming bloody murder, breaking down door, demanding somebody do something!!!

(Oh, wait, I did that!  :o )

Well I would have done a whole lot more a whole lot sooner.
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trannyboy

Yes, SRS is hideously painful but thankfully we have drugs that are exceptionally good at removing pain. Frankly I don't know how anyone could think SRS isn't hideously painful. When the nurses weren't on time bringing my pain killer shots, I can assure you that I was in agony. You have to remember that any surgery causes swelling and if you think being kicked in the groin was hard imagine having your genitals crushed from swelling and it isn't too hard to imagine the pain.

However pain shouldn't be a sole reason for not continuing SRS. I have acute intermittent porphyria which causes nerve pain among other things. The pain from that is the worse pain I have felt because my nerves are saying it is the worst pain ever. The worst pain I have felt post op was no worse then the nerve pain. It has been entirely controlled by injections of fentynal, hydromorphone, codeine, dexamethasone and naproxen suppositories post operatively. Without complications I am off the fentynal in 5 days, off hydromorphone after another 7 days and codeine with 7 more days. All in all I only needed longer dosing cycles with complications and multiple opioid classes limit the danger of addiction (quite real for me).

Best of luck and all surgeries are painful. When the pain of staying this way overcomes your fear of post operative pain and complications then it will be time for surgery.

->-bleeped-<-boy

Posted on: October 26, 2008, 02:37:02 pm
Incidentally spinal blocks post op (before being awoken) are great, talk to your surgeon but make sure they know what they are doing or have the anesthesiologist do it. PCA or patient controlled analgesic is by far the most effective pain control route after blocking the nerves. It is very useful, allows for smaller more physiologically appropriate dosing and is available on demand. Make sure to use one post op. Combine both and you will have highly effective pain control. It is pretty hard to die from narcotics the way they are delivered today. You should be aware how much medication you need before you run out. A decent doctor will prescribe what you need for as long as you need it. Just make sure to ask yourself with each dose do I need or want this? Also patient who refuse or aren't given proper pain management take longer to recover and are subjectively in pain longer then if proper pain management is in place. Pain takes a huge toll on the body when you can least afford it.

->-bleeped-<-boy
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deviousxen

Quote from: ->-bleeped-<-boy link=topic=44888.msg296452#msg296452 date=1225051627
Yes, SRS is hideously painful but thankfully we have drugs that are exceptionally good at removing pain. Frankly I don't know how anyone could think SRS isn't hideously painful. When the nurses weren't on time bringing my pain killer shots, I can assure you that I was in agony. You have to remember that any surgery causes swelling and if you think being kicked in the groin was hard imagine having your genitals crushed from swelling and it isn't too hard to imagine the pain.

However pain shouldn't be a sole reason for not continuing SRS. I have acute intermittent porphyria which causes nerve pain among other things. The pain from that is the worse pain I have felt because my nerves are saying it is the worst pain ever. The worst pain I have felt post op was no worse then the nerve pain. It has been entirely controlled by injections of fentynal, hydromorphone, codeine, dexamethasone and naproxen suppositories post operatively. Without complications I am off the fentynal in 5 days, off hydromorphone after another 7 days and codeine with 7 more days. All in all I only needed longer dosing cycles with complications and multiple opioid classes limit the danger of addiction (quite real for me).

Best of luck and all surgeries are painful. When the pain of staying this way overcomes your fear of post operative pain and complications then it will be time for surgery.

->-bleeped-<-boy

Posted on: October 26, 2008, 02:37:02 pm
Incidentally spinal blocks post op (before being awoken) are great, talk to your surgeon but make sure they know what they are doing or have the anesthesiologist do it. PCA or patient controlled analgesic is by far the most effective pain control route after blocking the nerves. It is very useful, allows for smaller more physiologically appropriate dosing and is available on demand. Make sure to use one post op. Combine both and you will have highly effective pain control. It is pretty hard to die from narcotics the way they are delivered today. You should be aware how much medication you need before you run out. A decent doctor will prescribe what you need for as long as you need it. Just make sure to ask yourself with each dose do I need or want this? Also patient who refuse or aren't given proper pain management take longer to recover and are subjectively in pain longer then if proper pain management is in place. Pain takes a huge toll on the body when you can least afford it.

->-bleeped-<-boy

The pain is not as much of what I'm worried about anymore... Its being able to feel and make out your insides carved up. Does it just hurt a ton? Or is there actually feeling of specific pains that you might be sickened by?

Im more worried about wanting to throw up after surgery, not swearing my head off and being high on opiates.
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trannyboy

Ok, in fairness because of AIP and overly sensitive nerves I experience pain differently then many. How you react to the pain may be different but at the end of the day it is livable and short term. In terms of feeling where they cut, I can tell you this much. I do know the incisions generally but my hysto was hard to pinpoint pain while my top surgery was easy. Most people can't see through their pain to identify correctly where it came from. Vomiting must be avoided post op or you may tear your incisions. If this is an issue there are many medications that can be given prior to reviving you that will control post op pain. In addition many cause sleepiness and that will help keep you still post op. Speak to your surgeons about your concerns. In speaking to mine I was switched to better pain management methods (continuous caudal block) and a last resort antinausea drug called ondansetron which is by far the best I have had with no side effects. If you tell your concerns to your surgeon they will custom drug you according to what works for you.

->-bleeped-<-boy
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cindybc

Hi Deviousxen, from my own experience is minimal in most cases and the possibilety of being nauseated is anticipated and precautions are taken.

You won't feel much of anything inside while under sedation and pain killers. There may be some pain and certainly much discomfort, *inside* after you are taken off the sedatives and pain killers, but then much of the pain and discomfort should be controllable with just over the counter pain killers.

But then it appears that the pain may vary much with the pain threshold and or tolerance of each individual undergoing the same procedure.

Cindy   
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