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Importance of Girlfriend or Boyfriend Through Transition

Started by CC, October 22, 2008, 07:44:39 PM

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trapthavok

Quote from: CC on October 23, 2008, 08:33:14 AM
Quote from: Ellieka on October 23, 2008, 04:43:52 AM
I think the ideal friend would be some one that has either been through transition or is at a similar stage in life. But, having a romantic involvement with some one in my opinion has a higher potential of complicating things. As Seankersjay said, it would be hard to have a truly reciprocal romance.   

Sorry my question wasn't clear that it was a friend for mutual support and friendship and not romance. God knows I couldn't handle complicating things further right now.

I feel I get wonderful support from Susan's and I've been blessed that a special someone has been very available and supportive over the internet. However, I long to be in the company of another sister to share my excitement, happiness and tears. So today I will be meeting a new friend for coffee that is in a similar place as me. So my curiousity was how others felt and experienced that kind of friendship.

I think I understood what you meant from the very first post. (Maybe just put a space between boy friend and girl friend next time? Idk)

I have only ever met one other FTM face to face, never an MTF...and it would be great if me and the FTM lived in the same county but we do not. He would probably be a really cool bro to be around, even though he's younger than me and a step ahead of me in transition. He mentioned having a big brother, and I wonder why I'm incapable of getting one....Then again...

I sent a letter to a support group here a while back in hopes that I would get to meet other transpeople, maybe even get a big brother, but I never got a reply :( So yes, I'd love to have a big brother, it would make me feel a little bit less alone. Not just in the sense of having friends...My friends are great, but it's like I have to explain everything to them because they're not going through this themselves. I would love a friend who feels the same way I do in a tangible space.
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CC

So off we went to the MALL! Allyson dropped us off at the Mall entrance because it was raining and we met her in the store. Deb and I just walked into the Mall visiting and amazingly hardly anyone made notice of us! Yes, I was clocked by a few but no big deal. Deb is really amazing looking and can pass well. But what a wonderful and beautiful experience for me.

In the wig store we picked out a couple wigs for me that I really love. But the surprizing thing was, the color and length of the hair that everyone says looks great for me is the same as my sister's! So when I looked up I saw Lorrie looking back at me from the mirror and she is really pretty. Wow, I think I can do this! I am an attractive woman!

Well I met my friend at her house Friday night and got ready to go out. Her friend was a lot of help with my make up.

Then we headed out to the Mall. Did a little shopping and drew very little attention. Ya, we were clocked by a few people but most people never even bated an eye. So when we left the Mall I was floating on cloud nine.

Now it was out to have dinner at a cafe in a Holiday Hotel. The wait staff know the girls so it is TG friendly. However, all the other diners paid little notice to us and we had a nice meal.

Then off to a local Gay/TG etc bar for some drinks and karaoke. The three of us then danced a little on the empty dance floor and every time I looked around and saw myself dancing in the mirrored wall I just felt so right for the first time in my life! You should have seen the happiness and grin on my face.

I could never have taken this wonderful step so positively without the support and love of these two girls.

So I highly recommend finding a mentor or friend to share your hopes, dreams and fears with.


Posted on: October 25, 2008, 07:41:46 pm
OOPS, sorry for the previous confusing post. But I was copying from my diary and screwed up. Anyway, I think by the end you get the idea of what I was trying to say.
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pennyjane

ahhhh....cc.....that's just so great!  you'll remember this forever...at some point, believe it or not, you will envy yourself this wonderful moment in time.  God bless...and really..."you go girl!"
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tinkerbell

The only transsexual person I had when I transitioned was my therapist.  Besides her, I had my family and my ex-boyfriend who were there for me during the most difficult times.  I honestly don't think I could have survived without their support. 

As far as support groups are concerned, I did attend a support group during my first months on HRT, but I stopped going after the second or third time since I didn't have ANYTHING in common with the people that were there.  It was a good decision in my case and everything worked out wonderfully well afterwards.

tink :icon_chick:
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CC

Quote from: Tink on October 26, 2008, 04:02:54 PM
The only transsexual person I had when I transitioned was my therapist.  Besides her, I had my family and my ex-boyfriend who were there for me during the most difficult times.  I honestly don't think I could have survived without their support. 

That must have been wonderful Tink to have family and someone so close to you for support. So I think it points to the fact that one needs support from another human being no matter who or what they are to make this transition or live this life happily.
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Rachael

We had a discussion on the chatroom recently... it was about trans friends... does someone NEED trans friends to transition sucessfully? or emotionally for stability? and what benefits / problems that may contain, i wonder what you guys think?
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Northern Jane

When I look back at my early life I see where there were two different groups of girls who made a HUGE difference in how I grew up.

The first was a small group of classmates, "norm-born" girls who saw through the feeble attempt at a facade and accepted me (for the most part) as one of them. That was a LONG time ago (around 1960, so I think they thought of me as a Gay male because the concept of 'transsexual' didn't even exist then). We were 12 or 13 and being included in (most) of their conversations and some of their activities was very important to me in sorting out my own feelings, realizing just how much I fit in with the other girls and how much I differed from the guys. (I was always sad that I didn't get to go to the pajama parties though ;) )

The second group was TS girls in a nearby city that I met when I was about 15. They ranged in age from a little younger to mid-20's but I mostly hung with the ones my age. That was a godsend because their parents accepted them for how they were (mine didn't) and they were WAY ahead of me in 'socialization' and 'integration'. They helped me learn so many of the things that other young girls learn from their peers - clothing, makeup, confidence, etc. and introduced me to social life as a girl in the straight world - clubbing, parties, shopping, traveling, flirting, and more. We were just a bunch of teeny-boppers hanging out together doing the things young girls do.

I am sure that this socialization helped form my personality and character to such a degree that it made treatment possible by making it obvious that I was "mis-cast" in an inappropriate gender. (In many cases, I was among the first to be treated; the first to be prescribed HRT, the first assessed by a brand new GID panel, the first recommended for surgery, and among the early ones to have SRS - I think I have a 2-digit serial number LOL!) If I had not already "lived the life" I know I would NOT have been treated in the early 70's.

With the background I had, moving through transition/SRS was a snap and my new life was as comfortable as an old slipper. It was like finally coming home.

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pennyjane

hi rachael.  i can't say everyone "needs" transfriends to necessarily transition successfully, all i can say is that i can't see any negative to it and can see many positives.  the presence of my best friend, though we live some 400 miles apart, was so constructive in my own transiton that i'd call her the single most powerful force.  being there for me to bounce things off of, to urge me forward or tone me down, to simply love me and want the best for me, to share truths that were obscured to me for one reason or another was very often the difference between pain and joy, stagnation and growth.  could i have made it without her? probably...but it sure would have been tough.
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Rachael

Interesting, but what i find curious, is weather she was helpful because she was your best friend.... or because she was trans?

I have never known a trans person irl... my best friend and i are like sisters... and we have helped eachother beyond words... i mean, would it have been different if she were m2f?
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Stealthgrrl

Ugh, trans support groups. *has terrifying flashbacks*

Every experience is different, but mine was this: I'd never met such a collection of whiney, unhappy men-with-bows-in-their-hair in my life. I thought, if this is the future, ay caramba.

Fortunately, I had a Lesbian friend who was super supportive, and tremendously helpful to me in terms of issues of coming out and the like. We're still friends, she's lovely.

I'd like to touch on what Wendy had to say. I made a friend who appears male, but so isn't, and I found it easy to think of her only as the woman she is. She's taken, crapola, but it all just made me think. Wendy, I'm glad you have that friend. I'm sure you are invaluable to each other.

Stealth

Posted on: October 27, 2008, 08:21:08 am
Quote from: Rachael on October 27, 2008, 06:00:42 AM
Interesting, but what i find curious, is weather she was helpful because she was your best friend.... or because she was trans?

I have never known a trans person irl... my best friend and i are like sisters... and we have helped eachother beyond words... i mean, would it have been different if she were m2f?

I think it's just different. There are things that only a gen fem will really know, and there are things that only another trans can understand. Go ahead, go rogue--have both.  ::)

Stealth
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Rachael

hehe, if i knew a trans person irl, i might, but it would involve going to a supportgroup and picking the least bats*** bonkers
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tekla

but it would involve going to a support group and picking the least bats*** bonkers

Yeah, I've been to some of those meetings also, seems like the only reason I was there was so I could feel somewhat better about myself, you know the old "gee, I'm only a little crazy and everyone else is all the way there already."  But I've been that other person at other meetings. 

I think its important to have people in your life who can tell you the truth from time to time (no one needs it all the time, its too relentless, and often scary) who can kick your ass from time to time (again, not all the time, both your ass and their leg gets real tired) or who will just sit and nod as you proceed to bitch out the world (again, not all the time, or you life become a huge pity party).

Support is well rounded I would hope.  All of it can not come from one source, but its good to have a few that you can count on, and lean on.  They need not be trans, or gay, or whatever - they just need to be humans (hence, your cat, computer games, fantasy lives and the rest do not count).

A very old friend of mine (since High School 69-73, the dark ages) took a very different path than I did in some ways.  He became a Roman Catholic priest.  Which is funny, I became the least religious person in our class.  Yet, there were parts of our lives that were common.  We we're both living in the same world.  We both did long-term advanced studies in school.  We both liked beer, the Giants and the 9ers - even when they lose, which is all the time.

So both of us have used the other as places to vent, about church politics, about university politics and about real world politics.  We also vented a lot about how stupid parts of grad school were, how the 9ers need an offensive coordinator and how the Giants should have tossed Barry Bonds under the bus years ago.

And, oddly enough, some of it works out.  Church politics are very much like academic politics, in that some very petty people have managed to work their way into positions of power and are not inflicting that on other people in largely meaningless ways.  Petty, vindictive and silly stuff are always that, no matter where they are found.  Grad school is grad school regardless of the subject to some degree.  And if you love to complain, being a Giants and 9ers fan has been for, the most part, the motherload. 

But despite the huge differences between us.  We find a way to help each other.  Sometimes its just listening and buying the next round.  Sometimes its actually that very rare thing in life 'constructive criticism' that can help you, and sometimes its just some weird remark that resonates in some way, if it does not seem like it would, the old line about once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.



There is also a huge 'prime the pump' deal in real life - at least mine.  In that, there have been countless people that I began to help, support, offer something too, whatever - who, in turn, gave back to me something much greater than I had done for them, or at least as good.  So, if you're not finding people who support you, turn the tables and find someone you can support and that may open doors for you.

The reason (iffin' you're one of those persons or people into 'reasons' for things happening) you're at that support group, at that moment, might not be for you to be the one getting support, but your supposed to find that person who needs your support.  Your help.  Your advice.  Your time, your truth, your skills, your wisdom and outlook can help others from time to time, if you're willing to let it.

I know talking things over with other people, even if we're not talking about my life, my problems, my world - has helped in mine. 

At some point, because we are so much what others have put into us, or pulled out of us - for good and bad - we are but a reflection of other people.  Thus, other people are but a reflection, to some degree, of us. 

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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pennyjane

hi rachael...i think it's both.  it is an interesting dynamic.  i did, and still do, have a male best friend.  a guy i've known and loved for years and years...and a great guy and a wonderful friend.  but, when it came to transition he wasn't nearly the powerful force as was my transfriend.

there are just some things that only transsexuals can understand about other transsexuals.  not all, but certainly empathic people who happen to be transsexual. 

as stealthggr was saying...those tg support groups are bad memories for me too.  the ones i found were dominated by "bows in the hair men" as well.  no matter how they dressed up...they were men and had no more conception about what transsexuals are going through then we have of what they are.  i found them a drag....pardon the pun...on my own development, really no more then a place for people to dress up and go.

i did, and do, prefer being around people who talk about their problems with the intention of making themselves better people, not just to wallow in victimzation. maybe it's just my age....so many things to do and not that much time to get them done...so wasting any of it on whining is out.  God bless, and i hope you find not only the good friends you have but that one girl who knows...really knows...what is going on.
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Wendy

Quote from: Rachael on October 27, 2008, 03:38:24 AM
does someone NEED trans friends to transition sucessfully? or emotionally for stability? and what benefits / problems that may contain, i wonder what you guys think?

As stated earlier I am not TS.  In fact I do not consider myself transitioning since I live as a male.  However if you have lived several decades without addressing things that have bothered you it takes a toll on your mind.  I agree with Pennyjane that trans friends can help you on many levels.  When you do things in a vacuum you are prone to do things that are not logical and potentially very dangerous.  In addition many of us become very unstable when we start solving everything alone.

The process of sharing is very therapeutic. I also find that a friend can help you when you are low and vice versa.  A downside is if you are a "taker" you might not want to return a favor when your friend is down at an inconvenient moment.  For me I can always find time for my friend.

Now the support group I attended did not have any men with bows in their hair.  In fact the oddest person in the group was me.  I came alone as a male, dressed as a male and introduced myself as a male.  More than half of people in this small group were TS.  The ones that were not TS were SO's.  No one made me feel uncomfortable.  In fact the TS's gave me names of doctors and therapists that deal with gender variant people.  They were nice people and all of them were highly educated.

I did share the results of the meeting with my wife.  In turn my wife called one of the therapists and set up an appointment for me.

The meeting was productive and worthwhile for me. 

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Rachael

what interests me, is in the last few posts, the 'benefits' seem to be discussed for friends vs no friends.... I was curious as to the difference between trans friends, and non trans friends....  I've yet to see a good reason that a trans friend is required for transition beyond 'they know what you're going through'
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CC

Quote from: Rachael on October 28, 2008, 06:17:26 AM
what interests me, is in the last few posts, the 'benefits' seem to be discussed for friends vs no friends.... I was curious as to the difference between trans friends, and non trans friends....  I've yet to see a good reason that a trans friend is required for transition beyond 'they know what you're going through'

Isn't understanding and knowing what you are going through and being supportive what a friend is? There are no requirements in friendship. So no, one does not rdequire a trans friend. However, no one other than a trans friend would have any idea of the joys, happiness, excitement, pain, anguish and fears one would feel.

Is there a fear for you Rachael of having a trans friend?
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Rachael

Joys happyness, excitement, pain and anguish? i disagree.... any GOOD friend can see you nolonger hurt... that you are happy... that you are RIGHT... it doesnt take a transsexual to see depression and joy....

as for fear of having a trans friend? no, not really, i just never met a trans person irl and have no paticular reason to go looking for one... i have all the friendship i need without hunting out a transperson to be friend.
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pennyjane

hi racheal.  well, i guess it's that "they know what you're going thru" thing that makes the transfriend so valuable.  yes, definitely, all friends are special in their own special way.  one of the special things about transfriends is just that.....they are pretty well connected to what you are going through.  if you feel no need to seek out other transfolk to share your experience with, that's ok...i'm sure you'll do just fine.

it's really not that different then alot of other shared experiences.  women who have miscarried a pregnacy often feel much more at ease expressing their pain with other women who have had that experience as well...it's just something those of us who haven't been through that can know first hand of what it's like. combat veterans often look to others who've been in that situation to share with...and on and on.

of course you can make it without that friend....it's just that sometimes that friend can share a bigger piece of the burden when you are heavily laden.  God bless with...
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Rachael

maybe if one has gender issues to work out its useful, but tbh, my issues are self esteem, confidence and self image, regular female issues... my status of having transitioned really bears little on those issues imo.
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pennyjane

oh yes, definitely dear.  if you have no issues with your transness then it's all moot.  i'd say that in most cases, though, for transsexuals we have problems relating alot of things through that particular filter.  if your transsexualism isn't creating any specific issues for you, then i'd say the specialty of a transfriend wouldn't mean nearly as much to you as it does for most of us.  i'd say you are unique in my experience though, one who has no issues with their irregular gender identity, you are very blessed indeed.

often i've heard people say they think there would be no problem if everyone else would just get along with it.  i question that...i see where difficulties probably would arise without any outside pressures...just the fact of mind and body being out of congruence seems to me as something that usually would produce a pretty significant dysphoria exempt any outside influences at all.  just that dysphoria is exponentiated by the outward pressures.  i think we can get past it pretty much, but it's hard to imagine that without going thru it first.  God bless with....
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