Woman.mp3

[Sephirah]

I spotted something curious by accident while I was looking through Google, and it piqued my interest. It regards so-called 'feminisation through hypnosis'.

I have some experience in the field of trance and hypnosis; I can understand the theory, and even the methodology of this, but some claims seem a little... far-fetched, at least in terms of biological changes claimed to be brought on as a result of the process (natural breast augmentation, forced conversion of Testosterone into Estrogen etc).

However, the mind is the most powerful tool at our disposal and can be affected quite easily by altered states of consciousness and suggestion (hypnotic, autohypnotic or subliminal), I've seen it happen with startling results. What I was wondering is, does anyone here, or has anyone considered these programs/files/scripts? I would be interested to hear of any experiences, purely out of curiosity (not the particular files you used, or recommendations, just a more general account of anything that happened).

[deviousxen]

Been there, done that.


The guy in most of them has a really creepy voice, and is probably a rapist.


Basically, I was trying desperately to be able to dream of my girl side and leave it there, and failed...

[Sephirah]

Been there, done that.


The guy in most of them has a really creepy voice, and is probably a rapist.


Basically, I was trying desperately to be able to dream of my girl side and leave it there, and failed...

Thank you for the response, Kara.

I can't really comment on the voice, except to say that generally hypnosis does require a specific tone and pitch of voice that could probably be seen as 'creepy'. It's necessary in order to pursuade the conscious mind to switch off. And the conscious mind puts up quite a fight, so often it has to be 'fooled' into going to sleep.

Did you feel any differently after listening to these files than you did before? From what I can gather, the purpose is to subtly alter your speech and behaviour patterns, mannerisms, posture, and perception of self during your waking life in order for you to 'appear' more feminine.

[deviousxen]

For all I know, it could have helped... Lol.


It may have made my mind more open to acting feminine.

A couple of the files would make my brain think it had the weight of breasts and other stuff for a couple of seconds, but then I'd go away.


My mind is too strong for my persona to handle. Things a jerk..

[Sephirah]

Maybe you're just not susceptible to being hypnotised. An awful lot of people aren't. Trance capacity varies a great deal between people, as does suggestibility. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong, it's just one of those things.

Thank you for the insight, honey, I appreciate it. *hugs* If you don't mind, I just have one more question:

How long did you listen to these files before you decided to stop? A few days? Weeks? Months?

[Chrissty]

Hi Liea,

..I have also tried them..

....but like Kara I seem to have difficulty in achieving, then maintaining, trance.

I got around the guy with the rapist voice, by selecting female versions with the strong motherly voice for most of what I tried

Not tried anything claiming physical results , but I do find some of the dream state tracks can help to calm my dysphoria at times when I'm stressed. 

I think therefore, if they don't work literally for me, that they do have some effect, in the form of lucid suggestion.

If anyone is interested however, if you look carefully on the web, there are some excellent free resources which can beat some of the so-called "pro" sites hands-down!

A word of warning though...if you are susceptible to hypnosis, I strongly advise staying clear of the "Curses", as these require you to give up control and have been designed to have suggestions that may be difficult to remove.      ...( and if anyone says anything about the "suggestion" to wear a dumb Catwoman oufit for halloween, I will find a way to get my own back ..honest.!)

Chrissty

[Sephirah]

Hi, Chrissty (looking good, btw ).

Thank you for your response. That's very interesting, and more along the lines of what I would expect from such a tool. Although I have looked around and seen tentative research which shows physical changes (at least, breast enhancement in genetic women) can happen through hypnotic suggestion, I suppose that would be most effective in a more conducive, structured environment.

With regard to maintaining trance, there are a few things you can do to improve your ability. If you want further information, PM me and I'll give you a few tips.

Charging for something you can essentially do yourself anyway, for free, does seem rather opportunistic, but understandable I guess. Such is commercialism. But if you get benefit from it then fair enough. And there are free resources out there, that's true.

However I'm not sure what you mean by "Curses". It was always my belief, and has been my experience, that the individual retains control throughout (at least on a deeper level beyond the requirement of the conscious mind to be bypassed). Once that's lost, an inbuilt neurological defence mechanism kicks in and the experience ends... which is why you supposedly can't make someone commit murder through hypnosis, or implant suggestions that go against an individual's moral and ethical code (that ventures into the realms of brainwashing and NLP, whole different enchilada... and one I wouldn't have thought within the scope of these products).

They sound rather dangerous, to be honest.

[Chrissty]

Hi, Chrissty (looking good, btw ).

Thank you for your response. That's very interesting, and more along the lines of what I would expect from such a tool. Although I have looked around and seen tentative research which shows physical changes (at least, breast enhancement in genetic women) can happen through hypnotic suggestion, I suppose that would be most effective in a more conducive, structured environment.

With regard to maintaining trance, there are a few things you can do to improve your ability. If you want further information, PM me and I'll give you a few tips.

Charging for something you can essentially do yourself anyway, for free, does seem rather opportunistic, but understandable I guess. Such is commercialism. But if you get benefit from it then fair enough. And there are free resources out there, that's true.

However I'm not sure what you mean by "Curses". It was always my belief, and has been my experience, that the individual retains control throughout (at least on a deeper level beyond the requirement of the conscious mind to be bypassed). Once that's lost, an inbuilt neurological defence mechanism kicks in and the experience ends... which is why you supposedly can't make someone commit murder through hypnosis, or implant suggestions that go against an individual's moral and ethical code (that ventures into the realms of brainwashing and NLP, whole different enchilada... and one I wouldn't have thought within the scope of these products).

They sound rather dangerous, to be honest.

Hi Leia....Thanks! 

In terms of charging, it is for an MP3 track they have produced; all I am saying is that having checked out samples, there are shared sources that are free and seem just as good as the "Pro" sites (I'm referring to the audio file only resources and not interactive sites here). Susan's actually lists some hypnotic sites on the links pages.

All the files I have tried have self removal capability; a curse is a file which may require special removal keys or direct interaction. They are not related to self harm as such, but are often more aggressive, and focus on the longer term control of the subject to do certain things.

Chrissty

[Sephirah]

All the files I have tried have self removal capability; a curse is a file which may require special removal keys or direct interaction. They are not related to self harm as such, but are often more aggressive, and focus on the longer term control of the subject to do certain things.

*stares*

That's... highly unethical, not to mention potentially dangerous. Thank you very much for your insight, I had no idea that some of these procedures had the intent of replacing parts of a person's will and perception. I had assumed that it was more about careful nurturing of what was already there, not overwriting it like files in a directory.

Wow. I imagine this direct interaction, or the special removal keys, would come at a price. Good grief, it sounds like infecting people with the human equivalent of a computer virus.

[Chrissty]

All the files I have tried have self removal capability; a curse is a file which may require special removal keys or direct interaction. They are not related to self harm as such, but are often more aggressive, and focus on the longer term control of the subject to do certain things.

*stares*

That's... highly unethical, not to mention potentially dangerous. Thank you very much for your insight, I had no idea that some of these procedures had the intent of replacing parts of a person's will and perception. I had assumed that it was more about careful nurturing of what was already there, not overwriting it like files in a directory.

Wow. I imagine this direct interaction, or the special removal keys, would come at a price. Good grief, it sounds like infecting people with the human equivalent of a computer virus.

It would seem that some people want this type of file...

...particularly in the self-feminisation sector!

The site I have used is responsible enough to post clear warnings about the file content, together with an explanation of what my be required for removal.

They also suggest that you skip the trance "induction" and check out the "script" content of any file you're thinking of using, on a standard media player.

If you are not happy with any part of the content you can edit it out (using a free editor like "Audacity") before use.

I found that I had to extend the induction time on most files.

Chrissty

[Sephirah]

But that's... well it doesn't allow you to be yourself, it just makes you into what you're told to be.

*shudders*

I find that a very chilling thought. And I have to admit that I had thought this type of thing would be far less invasive. I would hope that anyone with an ounce of common sense would check the script as a matter of course.

Do these files give you the images and scenarios, or allow you to find your own?

[Chrissty]

But that's... well it doesn't allow you to be yourself, it just makes you into what you're told to be.

*shudders*

I find that a very chilling thought. And I have to admit that I had thought this type of thing would be far less invasive. I would hope that anyone with an ounce of common sense would check the script as a matter of course.

Do these files give you the images and scenarios, or allow you to find your own?

The files are audio only, so the images would be your own.

In terms of scenarios, I think we have all tried to direct our dreaming at some time or another. Files of this type list the scenario proposed.

In terms of being yourself, a lot of the files are simply geared to help boost the ability to achieve want you want through focussing the mind.

You will have seen the commercially advertised hypnosis for quitting smoking...

....the files I have tried are something similar.

Chrissty

[Sephirah]

I'm looking into it now (thanks again, Chrissty).

It's... interesting to say the least. I'm not going to go tranceside until I know what's in them.

I can see the hypnotic process at work, definitely.

What I meant by images are... well, of the few files I've heard, you're in the driving seat so it's not really an issue. But sometimes the picture is painted for you by the words used.

You're right, the induction time doesn't seem long enough.

Hmm...

[deviousxen]

I did female form curse many times. Could have affected me, maybe not, who knows. Tried it on and off a couple of months and then kinda stopped when I was hardcore into phytoestrogens, cause I felt more like a girl cause of That anyway.

[Sephirah]

Well... after listening to a few of those files, I have rather mixed feelings about them.

I can see how they could theoretically work for someone highly suggestible. And I can see what the intended effects are and how they're implanted, the repetition is actually pretty good and the speakers don't stumble too much...

I think that if you run these whilst fully lucid, they don't give you enough time to enter the required state, but if you run a seperate induction beforehand... maybe that would work better.

The ones with female voices do tend to be more effective, and the results are... interesting, at least on the specific file I heard. Although repeated playbacks are probably necessary.

But...

The thing that throws a big, huge, "WTF?" size wrench into the works is the use of the words "Obey" and "Obedient" in the script. I've noticed that this seems to be a common component of these files (at least the ones I heard). I don't see how that wouldn't throw a big bucket of icy-cold, "not a chance, amigo" water on proceedings. It most certainly did for me.

Also... in my opinion, the quality of the recordings are questionable at best, even moreso when downloaded onto an mp3 player. That makes trance rather difficult since it tends to distract your mind.

Hmm... I'm still undecided, I think.

[Kim6]

I think the important thing is not to get too focused on one particular thing whether that particular thing is mind, physical or spiritual...

The object of Buddhism (as an example) is to become fully human -  to incorporate the physical, the mind and the spiritual and to experience life and living "fully".

Perhaps hypnosis can be beneficial as long as you don't deny or avoid the physical and even the spiritual.

It is like food, you want protein, carbohydrates and fiber (etc.).  Or anything else, you need balance and since transition is essentially 'physical' special attention needs to be paid to the 'physical'.  And I am fully ready to acknowledge that transition is more than that, transition has to do with the mind and transition is and can be spiritual but they all go hand in hand and what are you trying to change?  Are you trying to change your mind or your body?  Are you trying to change the mental or the physical?  All three are in relationship to one another but primarily transition is 'physical' and I would dare to say that the mental and spiritual aspects of transition emanate out of the physical reality of it [not vice versa].

[Sephirah]

That was pretty much the point of why I was curious about this process. I wanted to see if this avenue offered a way to explore who you are, introspectively, internally, in an area temporarily uncluttered by everyday life, sort of like a guided meditation/dreamstate... or whether it attempted to make you into something you're not through suppression of the self and implantation of a new self.

I'm not entirely sure I've found an answer to that. However, I do believe that the purpose of using these hypnotic methods, at least the approach I would choose to take, is to not change anything. Simply explore what already is.

I don't see this as a 'solution', merely a tool. And how one uses a tool determines its efficacy. I guess it's about what you expect and hope to get out of it.

However, that being said, as a method of temporarily alleviating dysphoria and exploring internal identity... it has the potential to be useful.

[Gracie Faise]

It sounds sketchy and weird because they are made for men who want to be feminized for sexual, fetishistic reasons. Not for your average transsexual. People use those audio files to get off on.

It's also the reason why there is a lot of "obey" and cock worshiping stuff in those tracks.

[deviousxen]

Yeah... That part was weird.

And you look amazing "faise" !

Pretty!

[Fox]

The idea of hypnotic suggestion has always held some intrigue for me unfortuantly im part of that 5% or so that just can't be hypnotized at all Ive tried before a couple of times when I was trying to break down the emotional walls I through up in ym teenage years. I suspect that my mind is just far to analyitical since I can't stop myself from analyzing the process step by step.

Posted on: November 09, 2008, 03:42:19 amOk ive been trying to find some of these sites all have been reffering to but all I can find is pay sites or false links what search words on goodle did you use