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US transgender man pregnant with second child

Started by Butterfly, November 13, 2008, 08:51:13 PM

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US transgender man pregnant with second child


November 14, 2008
Courier Mail, Australia
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24649687-954,00.html



A US transgender man is pregnant with his second child, he told American television diva Barbara Walters in his first interview since he gave birth to baby Susan in June.

Thomas Beatie, who is 34 and sports a beard, told Walters he did not go back on the male hormone testosterone after Susan's birth because he and his wife Nancy wanted to have another baby.

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Nero

isn't it a bit too soon for him to be having another one. i mean physical wise. is it really healthy for him to be getting pregnant so soon?
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Shana A

Quote from: Nero on November 13, 2008, 08:55:01 PM
isn't it a bit too soon for him to be having another one.

maybe he missed the attention from the tabloids!  >:-)

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NicholeW.

I hate to be dismissive of him. The first time I could understand.

But the 2nd time and to have Barbra Walters announce it on The View? Like what, four months after giving birth the first time.

At some point you just shake your head and imagine the attention must be missed. I mean, if they wanted another, perhaps an adoption would be in order? O, yeah, it's not news if a transman adopts a child.

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Luc

Maybe he just wants another kid. Or maybe he realized pregnancy wasn't as bad as he thought it would be.
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Kelley Jo

I read about this earlier. He said like 20 TG organizations had contacted him and urged him not to publicize it any further. I personally don't have any feelings on it one way or the other but I can understand other people's concerns. He is definitely make some coin. Well, it takes alot of cash to raise kids... ::)
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MaryEllen

I don't think it's doing much to present a positive image toward transsexual people. The general public already thinks of us as perverts and weirdos.

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Caroline

Quote from: Emme on November 14, 2008, 08:07:44 AM
It's entirely possible I'm being insensitive to the issue or possibly uninformed, but isn't being pregnant defeating the purpose of presenting male?  Granted, I don't know much about this person, but if you're on T, or have been on it, then it seems to me you want to be perceived as male.  You can't get more female than pregnancy.  And if he's married, why isn't his wife carrying this child?  <scratches head>  Maybe I'm missing something.

Are m2fs who store sperm prior to transition doing one of the most MALE things possible?  The desire to have biological children is one shared by most of the human race.  His wife isn't carrying the children because her medical issues prevent it.
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Caroline

Not the same, but it's all a matter of degrees IMHO.  He is willing to compromise his passibility for a few months so he and his wife can have children, which they both really really want.  I don't see what the big deal about this is.  Lots of people make big compromises in order to have children.
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whatsername

Emme, it might be of interest to you that Thomas' wife is incapable of having children.  I forget the exact reason why but it is on Wikipedia I believe.
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Mister

His wife can't have kids because she had an elective hysterectomy after her first two children, who i believe are in their early twenties.
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Mister

Quote from: whatsername on November 17, 2008, 12:12:38 AM
Well, elective as treatment of endometriosis.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20210491,00.html
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endometriosis has got to be pretty freakin' horrible for a hysterectomy to be essential.  you'd think if *she* wanted more kids, she'd hang onto it.

and FWIW, I prefer the encyclopedia dramatica entry over the wikipedia.

-Mister, who had endometriosis.
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whatsername

Feel free to link to it if there is a definition you prefer or think is more accurate.  I simply tend to go to Wiki if there is something I want some basic information on.  Speaking of which, on reading through it my step mother had suffered from a condition that sounds just like this for a few years and just this year had a hysterectomy to deal with it, I can't be sure but I'm almost certain it was this.

Also, I'm rather uncomfortable second guessing Nancy's medical decisions.  As clearly you know, there are times when endometriosis is bad enough to warrant this procedure.  I would trust she didn't make the decision lightly, especially in light of her and Thomas' wish for children.  That is of course unless I'm shown evidence to the contrary.

It all sounds to me like they made the decisions they felt best as a couple. And as I'm fairly confident quite a few male bodied folks would like to have children if it were possible (I've certainly heard it expressed before), personally I have a hard time seeing Thomas' actions as compromising his masculinity in any way.

On that note it continually baffles me that prominent news/media organizations act as though he is some sort of first.  He's not by a long shot, which I'm sure many of you already know.  I just don't understand media's reluctance to do their homework...
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Mister

Quote from: whatsername on November 17, 2008, 01:45:09 AM
Feel free to link to it if there is a definition you prefer or think is more accurate.  I simply tend to go to Wiki if there is something I want some basic information on.  Speaking of which, on reading through it my step mother had suffered from a condition that sounds just like this for a few years and just this year had a hysterectomy to deal with it, I can't be sure but I'm almost certain it was this.

Also, I'm rather uncomfortable second guessing Nancy's medical decisions.  As clearly you know, there are times when endometriosis is bad enough to warrant this procedure.  I would trust she didn't make the decision lightly, especially in light of her and Thomas' wish for children.  That is of course unless I'm shown evidence to the contrary.


I'll be honest- I didn't read the wiki link.  I'm familiar with the condition as until I had my girly bits yanked, I had it.  There are tons of non-hysto options for treating it.  Hysto is considered last resort treatment for most, unless the desire to have no more children is given.

You're defending her medical decisions without knowledge, too.  Kettle, my name is pot.  It's nice to meet you.

I haven't read many articles on this 'phenomenon' the second time around, but I did back in April.  Back then it was stated that she had the hysto before she met him.  Again, I state, if you want biological children in the future..  don't yank your goods.
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whatsername

Quote from: Mister on November 17, 2008, 12:02:33 PMYou're defending her medical decisions without knowledge, too.  Kettle, my name is pot.  It's nice to meet you.

You're second guessing her decisions, I'm not. *shrug* It's not really the same thing...
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tekla

Having Baba Wawa announce it sounds more like publicity then family.
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Mister

Quote from: whatsername on November 17, 2008, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: Mister on November 17, 2008, 12:02:33 PMYou're defending her medical decisions without knowledge, too.  Kettle, my name is pot.  It's nice to meet you.

You're second guessing her decisions, I'm not. *shrug* It's not really the same thing...

Second guessing would be, "why did she get a hysterectomy bc of endometriosis?  that seems extreme." My original comment was that if you want more kids, keep your goods.
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whatsername

Well you did say that endometriosis has to be "pretty bad" for a hysterectomy to be a treatment, then adding the "if you want to have more kids"...

Which to me reads as you doubting it was really bad enough to warrant the procedure, as it is rarely needed, and then using that assumption to fuel your argument that if she wanted more children she should have pursued another course of treatment.

My point is simply that in my opinion as we don't know how bad the condition was that it is unfair to assert the argument you're making.  My position on such things is generally to assume medical decisions are made with serious thought given to them, and to trust that the patient and doctor made the best choices they could. 

However they exactly arrived there Nancy and Thomas came to a point in time where they were married, wished to have children, and Nancy was incapable of doing so, but Thomas wasn't, and he decided to use his female plumbing to achieve what they both wanted.  It's all pretty straightforward to me up to that point.

As others have pointed out, the apparent publicity seeking is quite a bit more foggy and I'm not sure how to feel about it.
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Kaweah

Quote from: whatsername on November 17, 2008, 01:45:09 AM
And as I'm fairly confident quite a few male bodied folks would like to have children if it were possible (I've certainly heard it expressed before), personally I have a hard time seeing Thomas' actions as compromising his masculinity in any way.
This is a good point, and one I hadn't thought of before.

But yes, the desire for publicity is odd.  And why seek it twice?  As you mentioned, Thomas isn't the first FTM to become pregnant.
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