Pregnant “Man” makes me sad…

[Natasha]

Pregnant "Man" makes me sad...

http://justanotherstayathomemom.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/pregnant-man-makes-me-sad/
11/19/2008


It was an hour long Barbara Walters speacial.  Now, I think she is a good reporter, but somewhat boring as of late...I would like to see better questions...again, I digress...The thing that makes me sad is that, yes...legally he is a man.  Biologically, "he" is a "she" because "he" still has a uterus.  He and his wife are legally married as well, but she is not gay/lesbian (not sure how that works).  They have a 5 month old daughter and are currently expecting again.  They live a "normal" life...the wife even breastfeeds the baby (ya gotta admit, that's pretty kewl).

"Most transgender men who choose to be pregnant are simply choosing to make a family"  Sorry, they may look like a "normal" family, but they are in direct opposition to God and his commands.  I know...I'm a rotten sinner as well...all I can say is I do my very best everyday to walk the path....they are not walking the path or even trying to walk the path...they are digging up the path and directing it to an alternate destination.

[Nero]

 

[Ell]

when one uses religious writings to tell someone they are not wanted in the world because God doesn't want them there, either, then that's when religion becomes detrimental to the community it serves.

unfortunately, religious texts of many stripes are just full of such commandments against gays and etc., etc.

which gives millions and millions of confused and hateful people a word from God to go out and do something about this "problem" type of person.

until this widespread type of institutionalized hate is stricken from all of the "sacred" texts, religion is not your friend.

-ell

[fwagodess]

Judging from the news reports and photos I've seen--have somewhat changed my mind about F2M's.

[Nero]

Judging from the news reports and photos I've seen--have somewhat changed my mind about F2M's.

in what way?

[fwagodess]

Judging from the news reports and photos I've seen--have somewhat changed my mind about F2M's.

in what way?

I really didn't like F2M's before "The Pregnant Man" came along. I know there aren't many F2M-M2F couples around here.

[tinkerbell]

I know there aren't many F2M-M2F couples around here.

Not "many", that's true, but there are some!    However, some of us don't view it as a "F2M-M2F relationship".  We're just a man and a woman in love. Period!


tink

[Birdie]

Pregnant Man makes me happy!

He gives me hope that my dream of having kids isn't just another bird-brained idea.

Pregnant Man is my hero! 

[Mister]

Judging from the news reports and photos I've seen--have somewhat changed my mind about F2M's.

in what way?

I really didn't like F2M's before "The Pregnant Man" came along. I know there aren't many F2M-M2F couples around here.

A FTM doing the most female thing imaginable suddenly makes all FTMs attractive?  I'm not following the logic in this.

[Alicia Marie]

From a straight point of view, or from the outside looking in, it would seem that having a baby would be the last thing that a FtM would want.
To be honest it seems as though it would give the judgmental straight people more ammunition for their thoughts and hatred. Sort of like "If she really thinks she's a guy why would she want to have a child like a woman?"
I hope I didn't offend anyone but she sure may have given some additional ammo in their fight against transsexuals being acknowledged as having GID and not just demon possessed or nuts.
Alicia

[Yochanan]

Men don't have babies.

[deviousxen]

Men don't have babies.

Nonsense! Arnold Schwarzenegger did in that movie! Why not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_(film)

[Yochanan]

I remember watching parts of that movie. I felt very confused and stopped watching it before it ended, if I recall correctly. Men outside of movies don't have babies. -_-

[NicholeW.]

From a straight point of view, or from the outside looking in, it would seem that having a baby would be the last thing that a FtM would want.
To be honest it seems as though it would give the judgmental straight people more ammunition for their thoughts and hatred. Sort of like "If she really thinks she's a guy why would she want to have a child like a woman?"
I hope I didn't offend anyone but she sure may have given some additional ammo in their fight against transsexuals being acknowledged as having GID and not just demon possessed or nuts.
Alicia

That "ammunition" has been already used for decades. There doesn't seem to be a need to either re-requisition any due to Thomas Beattie nor for the guns used by such people to be reloaded. Seems like there's an infinite supply when anyone at all mentions transitioning. It's all "against God."

Imo, when we bemoan such things we are just indulging in what the blog writer indulged in in November. Ecxept, of course, we get to add tht extra judgement about what this does "to all of us."

Fact seems to me to be that it does nothing at all that's not already being done without Thomas Beatty.

I get the notion that we should all quietly go about our lives and never be at all open about any of it. But, that seems to me to also have its hazards. Why do ya suppose Zucker gets to do "reparative therpay" while the APA of which he's not just a member but a respected enough member that he gets to chair the disorders of sexual development and gender disorders committee? I believe that should tell any of us all we need to know: the shrinks are generally sceptical about any of our stories and the Paul McHughs and others are gonna not simply doubt, but actively try to get all SRSes for everyone stopped.

They don't really need Thomas Beattie; they were doing that decades before Thomas was even an adult.

So that argument appears to me to be a non-starter.

The idea that to stfu and do it all quietly all of the time is a good one for individuals as they see fit. Perhaps much less good as a means of promoting transition for those who require it. The naysayers are always gonna say it's unnecessary and something that "feeds" the delusions of those of us who do it.

[Nero]

From a straight point of view, or from the outside looking in, it would seem that having a baby would be the last thing that a FtM would want.
To be honest it seems as though it would give the judgmental straight people more ammunition for their thoughts and hatred. Sort of like "If she really thinks she's a guy why would she want to have a child like a woman?"
I hope I didn't offend anyone but she sure may have given some additional ammo in their fight against transsexuals being acknowledged as having GID and not just demon possessed or nuts.
Alicia

Not directed at you specifically, Alicia, but at the situation:
The thing is, we ftms have wombs. Whether we utilize them or not. Having a child is not something I would personally go through with, but fact is I could.
So, I really don't see how he's doing something so out of the norm.
If he were mtf and having a baby by his wife, no one would blink.

[Ell]

From a straight point of view, or from the outside looking in, it would seem that having a baby would be the last thing that a FtM would want.
To be honest it seems as though it would give the judgmental straight people more ammunition for their thoughts and hatred. Sort of like "If she really thinks she's a guy why would she want to have a child like a woman?"
I hope I didn't offend anyone but she sure may have given some additional ammo in their fight against transsexuals being acknowledged as having GID and not just demon possessed or nuts.
Alicia

Not directed at you specifically, Alicia, but at the situation:
The thing is, we ftms have wombs. Whether we utilize them or not. Having a child is not something I would personally go through with, but fact is I could.
So, I really don't see how he's doing something so out of the norm.
If he were mtf and having a baby by his wife, no one would blink.

uh, the pregnant man is definitely politically incorrect in Trans circles. mtf's give up the rights of males, and ftm's give up the rights of females, and then they adopt the rights of the gender they identify with.

pregnant man ruffles my feathers because he says you can have it both ways.

in a sense, androgynes and IS can also have it both ways. they do not ruffle my feathers because they are consistent...!

pregnant man should declare himself IS or androgyne; he is not trans.

pregnant man confuses the authorities and makes it harder for trans people to get by unnoticed.

however, in the long run, i still believe that IS is the heart of the matter of what it really means to be trans.

i would readily drop the Trans title, and replace it with IS. it may be that i was improperly formed, but that should not prevent me from getting treatment, nor should it cause other people to hate me for no reason.

-ell

[hayden.]

i personally don't understand it.
men don't have babies. period.
i mean, i could never even fathom the thought. ever.

if it makes them happy, by all means - i think everyone should do what makes them happy, regardless of what others say or think.

i just can't say i understand.

it's hard for me to take someone seriously as a male, when they're pregnant.
i understand he's a FTM, but being pregnant is a solely female affliction.

[tekla]

i think everyone should do what makes them happy, regardless of what others say or think.

Please, what makes a lot of people 'happy' is making other people unhappy. 

[Nero]

i personally don't understand it.
men don't have babies. period.
i mean, i could never even fathom the thought. ever.

if it makes them happy, by all means - i think everyone should do what makes them happy, regardless of what others say or think.

i just can't say i understand.

it's hard for me to take someone seriously as a male, when they're pregnant.
i understand he's a FTM, but being pregnant is a solely female affliction.

yes, but he has a womb. which is a solely female affliction in itself. that's the reality of our condition.

[hayden.]

i personally don't understand it.
men don't have babies. period.
i mean, i could never even fathom the thought. ever.

if it makes them happy, by all means - i think everyone should do what makes them happy, regardless of what others say or think.

i just can't say i understand.

it's hard for me to take someone seriously as a male, when they're pregnant.
i understand he's a FTM, but being pregnant is a solely female affliction.

yes, but he has a womb. which is a solely female affliction in itself. that's the reality of our condition.

i understand that. but using it is his choice.

like i said - if it makes him happy, i'm glad for him.
i just truly don't understand. than again, i don't have to.
Post Merge: February 06, 2009, 04:51:29 PM

i think everyone should do what makes them happy, regardless of what others say or think.

Please, what makes a lot of people 'happy' is making other people unhappy.

such is life.