pseudo-intellectual anti-trans people

[Gracie Faise]

0 -o; Dude is a unisex term of endearment. I use it all the time for anyone.

you just contradicted yourself.

How is that a contradiction?

[iFindMeHere]

0 -o; Dude is a unisex term of endearment. I use it all the time for anyone.

you just contradicted yourself.

How is that a contradiction?

Well first you claimed "it wouldn't happen if you had a gender marker up" and then "it's unisex."

[Gracie Faise]

0 -o; Dude is a unisex term of endearment. I use it all the time for anyone.

you just contradicted yourself.

How is that a contradiction?

Well first you claimed "it wouldn't happen if you had a gender marker up" and then "it's unisex."

No, what wouldn't happen is Anwwyn wouldn't be called by male pronouns on accident if she had her marker up on there. That's waht I was talking about.

[Lisbeth]

you just contradicted yourself.

How is that a contradiction?

"The question is: Why are people afraid of contradictions?"
--Ludwig Wittgenstein

[Gracie Faise]

you just contradicted yourself.

How is that a contradiction?

"The question is: Why are people afraid of contradictions?"
--Ludwig Wittgenstein

For the same reason why people don't like having warning signals flashing on their dashboard when there is nothing wrong with your car.

Posted on: November 20, 2008, 05:28:48 pm

. . . Anwwyn wouldn't be called by male pronouns on accident if she had her marker up

Gracie, sorry we started something here - iFindMeHere *clam up* - and both stop with the "quotes" plz (some of us do know how to *scroll back*)! Why is every 'lil thing turns to major debate here, Annwyn & I were just having fun in a very wee hour of the am and, as usual, *things got outta hand* (lol Annwyn! YOU STOW IT TOO!). I apologized to ALL already and stand by my opinion of the use of the term *dude* as it relates within the context of Annwyn,

And To Nobody Else!  The "misuse" was no "accident" really inspired by years(?) of Annwyn abuse?

What does "<a href="http://bookblog.net/gender/genie.php">the gender genie</a>" say?

(oops! i suppose Annwyn's been on my 'ignore list' long enough!)

I actually prefer seeing qoutes right in the post. It makes everything look organized. I'm a stickler for organization.

[Ender]

There is nothing intellectual about this person, for that reason arguing with him intellectually will get you nowhere. Even with intelligent, intellectual people, topics that are highly charged with emotion cannot be handled intellectually. The simple fact is that the most effective way to convince most people is to have them become personally connected with one of the people they are prejudiced against. Slowly they change from, "people who are X are perverted," to, "people who are X are perverted, but not you," to, "some people who are X are perverted," to, "people who are X are just ordinary people." There is no shortcut to this process.

I see a lot of truth in this statement, at least from my experiences.  I've noticed some of the people I know (my parents are a prime example, actually) have that attitude towards me: "people who are X are perverted, but not you".  I never quite thought of it in the terms of "if I can't convince them of something intellectually, maybe they'll understand it on an emotional level," but that really makes a lot of sense.

[Lisbeth]

"The question is: Why are people afraid of contradictions?"
--Ludwig Wittgenstein

For the same reason why people don't like having warning signals flashing on their dashboard when there is nothing wrong with your car.

Unless you're going to tell me it's because they were taught be bothered by it, I guess you'll need to explain that one to me too. It's just a light bulb.

[Gracie Faise]

"The question is: Why are people afraid of contradictions?"
--Ludwig Wittgenstein

For the same reason why people don't like having warning signals flashing on their dashboard when there is nothing wrong with your car.

Unless you're going to tell me it's because they were taught be bothered by it, I guess you'll need to explain that one to me too. It's just a light bulb.

You're telling me a blinking light in your eyeball you can't make go away is a taught irritant?

[Lisbeth]

"The question is: Why are people afraid of contradictions?"
--Ludwig Wittgenstein

For the same reason why people don't like having warning signals flashing on their dashboard when there is nothing wrong with your car.

Unless you're going to tell me it's because they were taught be bothered by it, I guess you'll need to explain that one to me too. It's just a light bulb.

You're telling me a blinking light in your eyeball you can't make go away is a taught irritant?

Yes, of course it is.

[Gracie Faise]

"The question is: Why are people afraid of contradictions?"
--Ludwig Wittgenstein

For the same reason why people don't like having warning signals flashing on their dashboard when there is nothing wrong with your car.

Unless you're going to tell me it's because they were taught be bothered by it, I guess you'll need to explain that one to me too. It's just a light bulb.

You're telling me a blinking light in your eyeball you can't make go away is a taught irritant?

Yes, of course it is.

Then I guess chinese water torture is a taught irritant too.

[NicholeW.]

A taut irritant?

Nichole

[luv2Bfem]

 Our world is becoming more understanding but sterotypes are firmly entrenched. I wish I had an answer on a way to educate and enlighten but I don't. The one tool that has worked the best for me has been the time I spend in public interacting with others and lettting them see I am a kind, caring, feeling human being. Last month after a day of shopping I stopped at an Olive Garden. It was busy so I sat at the bar. The girl working the bar was not friendly to me but I talked to her anyway. She warmed a little so I tipped her well. As I stood to leave she came over and thanked me for coming in and said she hoped I would come back again? She then thanked me for the tip and smiled as she said, good-night. I'm not sure I could have come close to opening her mind online, no matter how intellectual the conversation?

[Lisbeth]

"The question is: Why are people afraid of contradictions?"
--Ludwig Wittgenstein

For the same reason why people don't like having warning signals flashing on their dashboard when there is nothing wrong with your car.

Unless you're going to tell me it's because they were taught be bothered by it, I guess you'll need to explain that one to me too. It's just a light bulb.

You're telling me a blinking light in your eyeball you can't make go away is a taught irritant?

Yes, of course it is.

Then I guess chinese water torture is a taught irritant too.

I've never had any trouble ignoring the blinking light on the dashboard for up to a year. But you never answered the original question of why people are afraid of contradictions. I've found life much more comfortable when I live in acceptance of contradiction. It opens limitless possibilities. And the Dialectic is an accepted part of philosophy and religion.

I am contradiction. I am lightness and dark. I am saint and sinner. I am day and night. I am springtime and harvest. I am the ocean and the shore. I am male and female. I am senior citizen and child. I am the subject and object of all my actions. I am all opposites held in tension and creating each other. I am me.

[Gracie Faise]

"The question is: Why are people afraid of contradictions?"
--Ludwig Wittgenstein

For the same reason why people don't like having warning signals flashing on their dashboard when there is nothing wrong with your car.

Unless you're going to tell me it's because they were taught be bothered by it, I guess you'll need to explain that one to me too. It's just a light bulb.

You're telling me a blinking light in your eyeball you can't make go away is a taught irritant?

Yes, of course it is.

Then I guess chinese water torture is a taught irritant too.

I've never had any trouble ignoring the blinking light on the dashboard for up to a year. But you never answered the original question of why people are afraid of contradictions. I've found life much more comfortable when I live in acceptance of contradiction. It opens limitless possibilities. And the Dialectic is an accepted part of philosophy and religion.

I am contradiction. I am lightness and dark. I am saint and sinner. I am day and night. I am springtime and harvest. I am the ocean and the shore. I am male and female. I am senior citizen and child. I am the subject and object of all my actions. I am all opposites held in tension and creating each other. I am me.

You're being unnecessarily difficult.
Yes, accepting the existence of yin and yang is a good thing, but that nothing to do with the context of this thread or the post you have quoted to answer that question.

Why are people afraid of contradiction? It's not a fear. Contradicting yourself means you are a hypocrite. It means you are wrong, and people don't like to be wrong.


As for philosophical, yes, you have left and right, but you can only go left or right, not left and right. If you go left and right, then you're not going anywhere, you stay right in the same place, making no progression because you directions of travel are contradicting themselves.

[cindybc]

Tell it as straight as you believe it to be right though it may be a contradiction to another. But if you believe it to be the truth then just say you are entitled to your opinions, just as I am entitled to mine. So let us say that we mutually agree to disagree and go on with our lives in the direction we believe to be correct.

Out of six and half billion people on the face of this planet and each individual one will have a different interpretation of the same concept, so who is to judge who has the right concept and who is off in left field.

It is far better for a person to remain silent and be suspected of being a fool than it is for that person to open their mouth and remove all doubt.

Knowing this has saved me from many lumps on my head.

I enjoy a bit of mental gymnastics

Cindy

[Annwyn]

Tell it as straight as you believe it to be right though it may be a contradiction to another. But if you believe it to be the truth then just say you are entitled to your opinions, just as I am entitled to mine. So let us say that we mutually agree to disagree and go on with our lives in the direction we believe to be correct.

Out of six and half billion people on the face of this planet and each individual one will have a different interpretation of the same concept, so who is to judge who has the right concept and who is off in left field.

It is far better for a person to remain silent and be suspected of being a fool than it is for that person to open their mouth and remove all doubt.

Knowing this has saved me from many lumps on my head.

I enjoy a bit of mental gymnastics

Cindy

O'rly?

What defines a fool?

[cindybc]

One that will step in front of a freight train just because someone else said it was safe for them to do so.

Or would you like to Analise that question a we bit more then rephrase to the satisfaction of  the other six and half billion people on this planet? 

Cindy

[Lisbeth]

I've never had any trouble ignoring the blinking light on the dashboard for up to a year. But you never answered the original question of why people are afraid of contradictions. I've found life much more comfortable when I live in acceptance of contradiction. It opens limitless possibilities. And the Dialectic is an accepted part of philosophy and religion.

I am contradiction. I am lightness and dark. I am saint and sinner. I am day and night. I am springtime and harvest. I am the ocean and the shore. I am male and female. I am senior citizen and child. I am the subject and object of all my actions. I am all opposites held in tension and creating each other. I am me.

You're being unnecessarily difficult.
Yes, accepting the existence of yin and yang is a good thing, but that nothing to do with the context of this thread or the post you have quoted to answer that question.

Why are people afraid of contradiction? It's not a fear. Contradicting yourself means you are a hypocrite. It means you are wrong, and people don't like to be wrong.

As for philosophical, yes, you have left and right, but you can only go left or right, not left and right. If you go left and right, then you're not going anywhere, you stay right in the same place, making no progression because you directions of travel are contradicting themselves.

And why is progression so damned important? Do you really think anything we do in this microcosm of a small green and blue planet is going to mean diddly squat to the universe in a million years? Everything we do is wrong anyway according to somebody, so what's the problem with acknowledging it? I've yet to meet a human being who wasn't a hypocrite in some area.

[Gracie Faise]

I've never had any trouble ignoring the blinking light on the dashboard for up to a year. But you never answered the original question of why people are afraid of contradictions. I've found life much more comfortable when I live in acceptance of contradiction. It opens limitless possibilities. And the Dialectic is an accepted part of philosophy and religion.

I am contradiction. I am lightness and dark. I am saint and sinner. I am day and night. I am springtime and harvest. I am the ocean and the shore. I am male and female. I am senior citizen and child. I am the subject and object of all my actions. I am all opposites held in tension and creating each other. I am me.

You're being unnecessarily difficult.
Yes, accepting the existence of yin and yang is a good thing, but that nothing to do with the context of this thread or the post you have quoted to answer that question.

Why are people afraid of contradiction? It's not a fear. Contradicting yourself means you are a hypocrite. It means you are wrong, and people don't like to be wrong.

As for philosophical, yes, you have left and right, but you can only go left or right, not left and right. If you go left and right, then you're not going anywhere, you stay right in the same place, making no progression because you directions of travel are contradicting themselves.

And why is progression so damned important? Do your really think anything we do in this microcosm of a small green and blue planet is going to mean diddly squat to the universe in a million years? Everything we do is wrong anyway according to somebody, so what's the problem with acknowledging it?

If nothing matters, then why are you posting on this board? Why do you eat when you are hungry? Why do you transition? Why do you learn? Clearly it will not matter in this quantum flicker of energy we call the universe, so why do you do it?

[NicholeW.]

Doncha both think that at this point there's no further value in carrying this on? Please agree to disagree and move along.


Thanks,


Nichole