I am joining the Army but still want to look feminine...

[cindybc]

You don't want to be anything but straight heterosexual male and nothing more on your papers. If it says anything else you wont even get past the recruiting office. Or if you get in and your fellow soldiers or sailors discover any different they will tear you apart and feed the pieces to the seagulls.Or you get other then honorable discharge with no benefits.

There is something that can be done to change the greedy corrupted system, like governments and corrupted leaders, it can start right here with a good education and be the teacher. That can take a lot of work and sweat to accomplish but it's better then being out in a battle field. You win a war only for it to start again just a few years later. Like you keep popping holes in the bottom of your row boat and running out of bubble gum to plug the holes and no bailing can.

Cindy

[Suzy]

Forgive me for not knowing, but am I not allowed to be Bisexual in the Military?

The "official" policy is usually called "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."  That looks good on paper anyway.  But in real life, you better emphasize the Don't Tell part, and do it to the extreme.

Best of luck!

Kristi

[cindybc]

Hi Mazarine_Sky Getting into college is a good start, while your there look for the best ways as to what you can effectively do to change the system and the policies that allow conditions to degrade in our countries and others that lead to war. It's not the little people that start wars it's the rich the greedy and the powerful. Just work towards doing something to effect changes in those type of conditions.

World peace can be attained if we work towards ending the brain washing and deception that this type of unnecessary destruction is the only way to do it. This crap That we need to fight in order to prosper  needs be squelched once and for all. To do so it is we loose, we who have to go only adds to the misery of moms fathers, loosing their sons and daughters for a bunch silly assed fat cats that say they have to. It's the only way to bring peace. It's the little people like you and I who are concidered expendable, use us to do their dirty work. Changing a world system  can start with one person who is willing to shine his/ her light for the next person who chooses to follow his/her foot steps. The next battlefield will be in the mind and the battle will be for the mind.

I'm a rebel, always have been, but I am a rebel of a different kind, a different breed, I am one of the predecessors, the Hippy movement, the flower children, the ones who fought to get our people out of Vietnam. I lost one of my best friends who came back from that war. years later he died in my arms from Serosis,--however you spell that, of the liver, drank himself to death. A baby killer? God forbid.

He went to that war because he though he could make a difference. He comes back to the reception of people boooooing and throwing garbage at him calling him a baby killer. I could go on and on about those day but all I will say is that there are many of those honorable soldiers whose names never even made it on that wall.

I also wanted to say thank you for your email *exmilitary person* 

Cindy

[lady amarant]

Forgive me for not knowing, but am I not allowed to be Bisexual in the Military?

Honey, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" says you can be, but that, if they find out about it, your arse is grass. So no. Not really. They want straight boys. Apparently they can hold the gun better.

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That last bit was my pathetically feeble attempt at a joke.

~Simone.

[cindybc]

Well I like it right along with the elephants and the grass. Not certain if that was understood by all but the elephants fighting will do more damage to the grass then the elephants will harm each other is very symbolic of what I was saying about the little people the soldiers the ones that get caught in the cross fire, is the grass under the fighting elephants,

The elephants are the rich fat ass cats that rule the countries that are at war and the closest they get to the battle field is a map on a table where they push toy soldiers around the map with a long stick with a brass hook on the end of it, much like chess pieces on a chess board. Or is that all done with computer animations now?

And yea picture in your mind someone pushing on you bear ass on the damp dewy grass in the early morn before the sun comes, up is one way to look at it. Like in, getting your ass shredded. 

Cindy

[soldierjane]

Peaceful, maybe, although peace has ALWAYS been won by war.

What a brain twister eh.  Si vis pacem para bellum. While I do think that war and conflict are inevitably ingrained into the human fiber, it sounds like an excuse to say we fight wars to attain peace and thus keep fighting and dominating.

Honorable?  No.  Honor requires willingness to sacrifice yourself to a higher cause and perseverence to that purpose in such that it's a lifestyle. 

The only thing a soldier proves is that he or she can follow orders in an efficient way and that they are willing to subjugate their will to forces they don't understand but who they trust blindly. 

There isn't much more sacrifice an individual can make over a soldier or Marine, both in simply the process and the occupation.

Yeah those people who brave violence and disease to bring food or vaccines to children can't compare to dudes with machine guns. Riight.

[Audrey]

Umm  you have heard of student loans right?  Seriously if you are even questioning your gender now,  what are you going to do for four years while youre enlisted.  Even if the recruiter tells you that theyll give you a certain job or position don't believe that BS.  My brother joined the navy after they told him they would get him into the ROTC.  Haha yeah right.  now hes just a regular joe shmo. 

And oh yeah my brother had the same fantasies and delusions about "saving the world and working toward a noble goal"  that didn't last long.  lol.  Don't watch those commercials about joining the military thats going to make you a fantastic person.  its called propaganda.   Also no offense but if you didn't realize the degree of closemindedness and homophobia of the military then youre reallllllyyyyy in for a rude awakening.

Why don't you get a job and work for a few years and figure out which direction you want to go.  Get your college generals out of the way while you do it.  You don't have to rush off into any of the armed forces just to make your parents happy.  This is YOUR life.  Dont live your life trying to meet everyone elses expectations, because everyone wants something different for you.  Youll get old and realize, ->-bleeped-<- what happened to the life I wanted.  Anyway listen to your own heart about how you feel before you get yourself into something you may regret later.

Audrey

[Mazarine_Sky]

I've decided to go to college, for computer technology. It's what I wanted to do before I wanted to join the military. I just wish the military wasn't like that...

[cindybc]

Hey Mezarine, listen to Audry, she's a smart one that one. Wish she were my daughter I would be very proud to be her mommy.

Cindy

[Audrey]

haha cindy you goof.  thanks though. oh yeah I got my app for brassard in yesterday.  they have openings this summer, so YEAHH.

[Suzy]

Hey Mezarine, listen to Audry, she's a smart one that one. Wish she were my daughter I would be very proud to be her mommy.
Cindy

Have to agree, Cindy, I'd be proud to have her as my daughter. 

Kristi

[Mazarine_Sky]

Well, I knew that the Military wasn't very excepting to anyone LGBT, but I had no idea it was that bad. I seriously thought that ended years ago.
Well, I just quit a job I had for a year and a half, and before that, I had two other jobs. I started working when I was 16, and now that I'm 18, I can say with confidence that I hate not having a career, and I will have a good one.
Yes, I know about student loans, I just hate owing people money. I'm applying for some when I can for the fall semester of '09, with my friend.

But before I end this post I must say that you have all helped me realize some very important things which I had been ignoring on purpose. As a result, I am slowly transforming into a better person, with a better goal for helping the greater good. I honestly do not know why I thought that joining the Military was a good idea for this goal, but it matters not- as I am completely passionate about doing what I can for the Earth and Humanity.
So in that respect, thank you.

[cindybc]

"YAYYYYYYYY!!!!" Congrats, that is truly good news Audry hon, and I am happy for you. You will do quite fine. Let me know when during the next summer. Wing Walker and I are planning on making some trips out east this summer, so never know where we end up. But I do want to go a visit a good and dear friend in Long Island before she decides to buy her one way ticket on that cosmic Grey Hound Bus to the next dimension.

Cindy

I am relieved that you have decided on another way to help Mommy earth and her children Mazerine hon.  

[cindybc]

Hi, I have transferred this topic to my Blog Cindy's Ramblings Blog

Folly of War

If anyone is interested in posting a comment you are welcome to do so.

Cindy 

[Annwyn]

Honey, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" says you can be, but that, if they find out about it, your arse is grass. So no. Not really. They want straight boys. Apparently they can hold the gun better.

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That last bit was my pathetically feeble attempt at a joke.

Having men that like men in the army distracts others from their duties.
Most men are overly conscious about it.
You can't put a gay guy in the middle of the platoon in bootcamp and expect his squadron to hold together when most of those guys(18-22) can't get over him being gay.
You can't put one in a combat situation for the same reason.

It's not necessarily the gay dude's fault, it's that and the entire mentality towards it.

Considering, it'd be better to exclude a few for the better performance of many than to include a few and potentially not achieve optimal performance of the human tools they train and operate.

Then there's also the sexual aspect.  Sexual harassment is common in the military, and in or out of military law homosexual conduct always complicates those cases.  When a man says he was raped by a man, or a woman says she was raped by a woman, it's not taken anywhere nearly as serious as a stronger man assaulting a weaker woman.

Add to that a clear increase in the ratio of mentally ill homosexuals vs. heterosexuals.  whether it's caused by society's intolerance or not doesn't matter to them.  They just want operational machines, not emotional, possibly manic and unstable, holding their weapons in the name of the country.

Could this be worked around?  Every single issue.

Is it worth the effort according to the people running the show and the majority of homophobic America?
Nope.
We'd rather recruit mexicans over homosexuals.  Got ourselves a good foreign legion going on here, somewhat reminiscent of the German foreign legion of the Roman Empire towards the end of it's reign over Europe.



What can you do?  Exactly what most of us college kids do.  Get a job, work your ass off, go to college, work the tailbone off, and watch most of your life go down the drain.
Finish your degree well in debt from student loans and spend the next 5-10 years paying them off.

Purchase plenty of firearms and make sure you're well connected with your friends and your community.  Volunteer at your local fire station 1-2 nights a week.  Always be respectful to representatives of the government and the law.

You can get your degree in something that would better allow you to pursue a career in the police force or special services like the CIA or FBI, NSA, DHS, etc.

Or you can just be a regular citizen.  If everyone went off and became a superhero, then there wouldn't be anyone to protect.  The role of the lamb is as important as that of the shepherd, because what kind of shepherd would you be without any sheep?

Hope that helps a bit there kid.  Hit me up on myspace more!^_^

[Mazarine_Sky]

Yeah, that does seem to make a lot of sense. I'm really glad to have come here before doing anything, even if the original intent of the topic had nothing to do with the end result! lol. Really, though. I'm glad everyone's being so helpful for me.
Come to think of it, there is a volunteer fire department in my town, and I think that the EMT's are voluntary as well. Not to mention all of the organizations and places that could use my help... like the homeless shelter in Atlantic City, yeah?
Wow, I'm starting to realize a lot of other things I could be doing right now. This is great!
Thanks so very much!

[tekla]

While you are young enough to not be locked into your choices yet, its not all that bad an idea to try to look at yourself, and the world, and try to find a place in the sun and all that.  As the old song says:

Since it costs a lot to win, and even more to lose,
You and me bound to spend some time wondrin what to choose.
Goes to show, you dont ever know,
Watch each card you play and play it slow,
Wait until that deal come round,
Dont you let that deal go down

The military has been very good for a lot of people.  Many on these boards have gone through it and they lived, and in some cases even thrived.  Its not a place to explore your sexuality however.

It can offer some critical skills that you pick up there a lot faster than in just a classroom.  However, as someone said, they don't have to put you where they say.  So it kind be sort of crapshoot.

Its a shame that nothing else really equals the military however, you can take a couple of college courses and decide if you like or don't like college, but its hard to get a taste of the military sort of the real deal.

And I don't know of a lot of people in college who feel their life is going down the drain, matter of fact, a lot of people will tell you its the best years of their life, and all that....

[Mazarine_Sky]

That's true. All of my friends in college tell me it's the best thing ever. Even the ones in community college are still enjoying it more than high school.

[tekla]

For most people, its not all that hard to beat high school.

[MarySue]

Having men that like men in the army distracts others from their duties.
Most men are overly conscious about it.
You can't put a gay guy in the middle of the platoon in bootcamp and expect his squadron to hold together when most of those guys(18-22) can't get over him being gay.
You can't put one in a combat situation for the same reason.

It's not necessarily the gay dude's fault, it's that and the entire mentality towards it.

Considering, it'd be better to exclude a few for the better performance of many than to include a few and potentially not achieve optimal performance of the human tools they train and operate.

Interesting point, but it's not new.

I believe the same reasoning was used in the 1940's to explain why the army and navy couldn't possibly be racially integrated.