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Started by Kristen, December 08, 2008, 03:23:28 PM

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Kristen

Quote from: Vexing on December 08, 2008, 07:15:11 PM
Quote from: Kristen on December 08, 2008, 07:09:01 PM
After, I will sigh with relief and joy, sleep like a baby, and wake up feeling loved. I will want to feel that way for the rest of my life.
Which was exactly my point.
You won't feel that way for the rest of your life. Everything fades; nothing is constant except entropy. I'm genuinely concerned that your fantasy won't live up to harsh reality and when that happens, you won't cope very well.
I've seen it many times.

Don't you think I know that? This is just a dream to me which I hope will be realized in parts spread out over time.

I am not out of touch with reality. I know just how harsh the world can be and I expect for all love to fade with time.

However, fantasizing and then living the moment like it will never end will not hinder my ability to cope but, instead, allow me to make the most of it.

"It is better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all" is a statement I wholeheartedly agree with.

My soulmate would agree with me.

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Kristen

Quote from: Kate on December 08, 2008, 07:28:46 PM
Oh, I dunno...

I've fallen more in love every day now for two decades. The beauty of her mystery just gets deeper and deeper and renews itself every day. Twenty years of the same person, 24/7 every single day, and I still cry as I'm typing this because it just hurts so much, in a good/bittersweet way though...

~Kate~

Thank you Kate for restoring my hope in this possibility. Without a doubt, that is the type of lover I am and I know in my heart of hearts that it will happen somewhere over the rainbow.
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Vexing

Quote from: Kate on December 08, 2008, 07:28:46 PM
Oh, I dunno...

I've fallen more in love every day now for two decades. The beauty of her mystery just gets deeper and deeper and renews itself every day. Twenty years of the same person, 24/7 every single day, and I still cry as I'm typing this because it just hurts so much, in a good/bittersweet way though...

~Kate~

That's simply your personality type.
The vast majority of people will not experience this.
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Kristen

Where's your evidence?

I hope you find a love this fulfilling.
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Kristen on December 08, 2008, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: Vexing on December 08, 2008, 06:52:56 PM
It's always good to have at least one unobtainable goal. Keeps us alive and kicking.

How about sex in outer space?

Not likely in my lifetime.  :D

Wanna join the 2,272,000 foot club, eh?  :D
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Vexing

Quote from: Kristen on December 08, 2008, 08:29:47 PM
Where's your evidence?
http://www.divorcerate.org/

QuoteI hope you find a love this fulfilling.
Why on earth would you assume that I haven't already?  ???

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Kristen

The divorce rate is irrelevant as to your reasoning or evidence behind why the majority of people will never experience that type of love. It doesn't disprove that at one time during their marriage they might have felt that way.

Oh, I don't know. I made a the wrong assumption based on your depressing outlook and subsequently wrong assumption about the majority of others love lives.

Attitudes like that typically keep relationships from developing to Kate's level.
Or perhaps you have lost that love for some reason and it has made you bitter.

Either way, I wish your love life all the best in the future.
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Vexing

Quote from: Kristen on December 08, 2008, 08:40:19 PM
The divorce rate is irrelevant as to why the majority of people will never experience that type of love.
Sure, okay, it's a symptom, not the reason.
I can't tell you why people rarely find that kind of fantasy love, but the evidence is there that they do not, regardless.
How many people do you honestly know who are in the kinds of relationships that you hope for?

QuoteOh, I don't know. I made a the wrong assumption based on your depressing outlook and subsequently wrong assumption about the majority of others love lives.
What's depressing about my outlook? It's a realistic and healthy outlook.
...which does not preclude one from being in a healthy, fulfilling relationship, correct?
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Vexing

Quote from: Kristen on December 08, 2008, 08:40:19 PM
Attitudes like that typically keep relationships from developing to Kate's level.
Wrong.

QuoteOr perhaps you have lost that love for some reason and it has made you bitter.
Also wrong.

When you are done attacking my character, instead of my views, please let me know.  ;)
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Kristen

The evidence does not poof into existence just because you say so.

What's depressing about your outlook is that it sounds like you feel you are not, nor are the majority of others, deserving of the highest level of love they are capable of.

I am not judging you by your current or past relationships but, giving up hope for something better IS depressing. Likewise, hope is not an unhealthy act.

Realism is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy that shields you from some of the best things life has to offer in an attempt to protect you from some of the worst.
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Vexing

Quote from: Kristen on December 08, 2008, 08:54:20 PM
The evidence does not poof into existence just because you say so.
*Headdesk*
The evidence is right in front of you!

QuoteWhat's depressing about your outlook is that it sounds like you feel you are not, nor are the majority of others, deserving of the highest level of love they are capable of.
I have no idea where you are plucking that out of.
It would be absolutely wonderful if everyone found their soulmate and live happily-ever-after.
But the vast percentage of people don't.

QuoteI am not judging you by your current or past relationships but, giving up hope for something better IS depressing. Likewise, hope is not an unhealthy act.
You did judge me by my past relationships; you presumed that I had lost love and it had made me bitter.
I'm trying to figure out where I said I had given up hope? Could you please point me to the relevant comment? I can't seem to find it.

QuoteRealism is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy that shields you from some of the best things life has to offer in an attempt to protect you from some of the worst.
No, that is pessimism.
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Kristen

Quote from: Vexing on December 08, 2008, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: Kristen on December 08, 2008, 08:40:19 PM
Attitudes like that typically keep relationships from developing to Kate's level.
Wrong.

QuoteOr perhaps you have lost that love for some reason and it has made you bitter.
Also wrong.

When you are done attacking my character, instead of my views, please let me know.  ;)

Right or wrong is relative.

Who is attacking? Our views and characters are compounding variables that shape us as a whole.
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Northern Jane

I would not presume to second-guess the future. Instead I try to learn from my dog - she has perfected "living in the moment" and getting the most out of each moment. The past is but memories and the future is hopes, but the present is real and that is where we need to live. That is not to say we should not dream - dreams leave the door open for possibilities - but don't live there or you may reach the end and find you have not lived at all.

It is in living the moment that you find out who you are, what you are capable of, and how far your soul can stretch. You will find your fulfillment in truly embracing the moment and living it was gusto and passion.

When you are full and complete within yourself, happy with who and what you are, THEN (and only then) are you in a position to find true love. "Other love" is based on negative, on needs or wants, and will seldom be a positive experience for either in the long run. True love (in my humble opinion) is not about another 'completing you' but about two complete and fulfilled people finding another dimension that is greater than the sum of the parts through the sharing of their completeness.

(I shouldn't write in the wee hours - I get too philosophical LOL!)
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Chrissty

Quote from: Northern Jane on December 09, 2008, 02:57:39 AM
I would not presume to second-guess the future. Instead I try to learn from my dog - she has perfected "living in the moment" and getting the most out of each moment. The past is but memories and the future is hopes, but the present is real and that is where we need to live. That is not to say we should not dream - dreams leave the door open for possibilities - but don't live there or you may reach the end and find you have not lived at all.

It is in living the moment that you find out who you are, what you are capable of, and how far your soul can stretch. You will find your fulfillment in truly embracing the moment and living it was gusto and passion.

When you are full and complete within yourself, happy with who and what you are, THEN (and only then) are you in a position to find true love. "Other love" is based on negative, on needs or wants, and will seldom be a positive experience for either in the long run. True love (in my humble opinion) is not about another 'completing you' but about two complete and fulfilled people finding another dimension that is greater than the sum of the parts through the sharing of their completeness.

(I shouldn't write in the wee hours - I get too philosophical LOL!)

Actually....... I always look forward to reading your "philosophical" moments ..... :icon_eyebrow:

:icon_hug:

Chrissty
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Candygirl

Kristen;

I have had many different moments that were spectacular, and life changing, that I felt couldn't be topped. i.e.

When my life actually flashed before my eyes, and I saw everything I had ever done, and every face I had ever dealt with. It was just like those flashing images you see sometimes in a program. Very very fast, and over in just moments. It took my breath away, literally.
It was my epiphany. The moment I knew and totally recognized who I was. I was 17. I told my mother. She called our minister.

When I had a serious high speed auto accident, and just as the car flipped and rolled over and over, then crashing into a ditch (no seat belt ) I felt hands on me, and trying to hold me in place. I heard a voice say, "I will protect you."  The police later told me,I should have been killed as I lay in my hospital room. The car was totally demolished. That was a moment of clarity.

In my 20's, I had to have emergency surgery, due to internal hemorrhaging, broken bones, and a major concussion. ( I was savagely attacked by thugs ) In the emergency operating room, I actually died on the table for several moments. I saw myself leave my body, and hover at the ceiling. I watched as they tried heart message, and then EST. I saw myself cut wide open at the belly, and so much blood soaking everything. I saw my silver thread shinning. I then left. I was in a fog. I heard faint echos, and saw nothing, and then as if a light came on, I was instantly back. I was in a hospital room, with the shades offering diffused light. I could hardy speak. It was actually slurring attempts at speech. I had a wired jaw. I didn't know who I was, or where I was. I couldn't move because of the traction apparatus,and casts I was in. I had double vision in my left eye.
My parents and siblings were there crying. They said they thought they had lost me. The doctors told me, I was very lucky. I was in a coma for three weeks.  Later, I knew who it was who brought me back! Need I say it!  Another life altering event.

SRS was no picnic in the park. I felt like I had been through a meat grinder. I was numbed, and couldn't feel my lower half. As the pain killers wore down I was in agony. The intravenous drip of pain softeners and sedatives were my friends. The healing and the slow recovery, the therapy, the inserted block/form, learning to pee, and having bowel movements. All the Antibiotic's. Soreness and tenderness ensued for weeks on end. I wanted this so badly, and I yet, I wondered if I had just ruined my life? There was also a deep sense of happiness, and relief. A joy that was not like anything I had experienced before. I wept with tears of joy silently. It still gives me a recall of total elation when I knew I was what I always wanted to be.  A huge moment in time.

Then, there is when I met, and starting dating my husband. I knew he was the one. I was like a teenager in love for the first time.
Some many others failed to make the grade. Then here was this man, a soul mate, and a wonderful friend. A gentleman and a decent human being. I was scared to death of losing him, and excited that he made it very obvious that, I was the one for him. After nearly a year of exclusive dating, he asked the question I was dying inside to hear. I nearly fainted and swooned as he put the engagement ring on my finger, after I said yes! And then I kissed him , in tears.

I didn't think I could ever be so happy as that moment. Then there was our marriage ceremony. It was not held in a church or chapel. It was at a local lake side park, with our friends and family attending. We wrote our own vows. I wore a cream colored A- Line gown, and he wore a deep blue and off white tux. His eyes sparkled as he stood there looking at me.  I was nearly over come with emotions and happiness. Then we were united as husband and wife.  That was the one single moment, that I know, was my true moment of sublime ecstasy. I was walking on clouds. I still am even today...

How many life altering moments can one person have in a lifetime? Apparently many. To many to mention them all. The longer you live, the more you will have.
Each of us will have our own unique experiences. Some can and will define who you are and what you become.
If you really live in the NOW, with your senses fully operating, you'll be amazed at what life delivers. Both the bitter, and the sweet.
You shouldn't want it any other way.

I apologize for the length of this post.  Forgive me.

CG/Rene'

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Buffy

Living the dream is far different to what I ever envisiged.

There was no defining "Eureka" moment, no sudden realization that against all odds I had achieved something wonderful, just a appeared as gradual happiness and confidence in my everyday life.

Transition was somewhat of an anti-climax; all the euphoria and adrenaline rush came in the early days(diagnosis, hormones, full time) to be replaced by dogged determinedness and focus on just fitting in with work, life and living.

All I ever did was work hard to turn my dream into a living reality, I guess the only thing I can add is that my mind no longer is in turmoil on a daily basis, my life no longer one of depression and pain and physical acceptance of my own body is no longer an issue, not so much a moment but a process of discovery and my own self acceptance.

Rebecca



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tekla

I'm with CG here, you, if you're working at it, should have a lot of moments like that.  What has always amazed me is that they tend not to come when you expect them, but like a single shot out of the dark when for just a brief and shining second you see how in tune everything is.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Kate

Quote from: Candygirl on December 10, 2008, 01:19:55 AM
How many life altering moments can one person have in a lifetime? Apparently many. To many to mention them all. The longer you live, the more you will have.

A good friend of mine once told me, "Life is about wanting to find out what happens next..."

;)

~Kate~
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Northern Jane

The most unusual and profound moment in my life happened in the early winter of 1973. I was 24 years old and at the end of my rope. I had gone as far as I could go (in those times) and there was no hope for SRS or a legal transition. I had lived part of my life in a dual role, part time en femme, but I couldn't do that  anymore - it was just a tease. All my friends had drifted away and I couldn't see any hope for the future - just more misery and pain. I told my doctor that fall that I didn't expect to see the following summer.

After months of despair, one cold lonely night, I  put a single bullet in a pistol and put the gun to my head. I pulled the trigger. The gun went "click" but didn't go off. (It had NEVER misfired before!) And a voice from the darkness said, "Not yet. Go on just a little farther." I wasn't in the habit of hearing voices so it got my attention! I wept for hours. (The primer in the bullet was dented and the round fired perfectly the next day.)

Less than a month later I heard about Dr. Biber opening his doors in Colorado and by April I had a whole new life.

I don't know what happened that night in 1973 but somebody/something was watching out for me and I came within a fraction of a second of not having a future. That was 35 years ago.
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Fox

Ive never expiernced a moment like that and i have been in a situation or two to cause it. I was in a 55mph head on car wreck. My life didn't flash before my eyes or time slow down it jsut happened so fast and then was over. I guess only certain people are capable of feeling like that
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