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Started by coolJ, January 03, 2009, 12:28:12 AM

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coolJ

I have been married three times now, have four children by two Mothers, tried suicide twice and thought about it at least four times.  If you are the way you are then accept it and quit fighting.

Hi Janet, I'm really sorry about your marraiges and suicide attempts. I've thought about it for a while and I have really good insurance too because in my line of business the accidents that happen are the ones that kill you. :-\ Like 2 weeks ago I was pushing over a dead 70' tree with my excavator(machine) and as it was going down it snapped in half with the top half falling right for my cab. I didnt panic and used my machine to swat the tree away from the cab. Only a small piece of the tree then hit the side and no harm was done to me or machine. If I didnt react right the trunk would have come right down on me in the cab and possibly crushed or impaled me! :-\ No fun at all! Thats why I'm taking this slow and one day at a time and for the first time in my life I'm taking an anti depressant. It is helping me with the depression for now.  ;)

And Cindy's right theres degrees to GID. Unfortunately mines almost unbearable! :-\But its like I and others have said thats just the way life is sometimes. And I'm only fighting the physical aspect so its a partial relief to just act myself for once in my life and wow does it feel good. The problem with the body part of it is I'm really healthy and I know I could correct my body so this desire is consuming me. I hope someday I can tell you all a success story! In the meantime I'm gonna get a truffle.  8) Oh and dont worry I've lost 22 lbs in two months and I wanna drop another 8 so I'll only have one and not the usual 5! :laugh:
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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coolJ

Quote from: MarySue on January 07, 2009, 11:47:27 PM
Quote from: Janet Lynn on January 07, 2009, 11:22:08 PM
I have fought for so long that I have come to the conclusion that there is only one way to live with this GID.  And that is through transition.

Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with that. I don't think that transitioning is the one and only way to live with GID.

I'm sure that transitioning was right for Janet, as it has been for a lot of people on this forum. And eventually it may turn out to be right for you, as well.

But I don't think that's a forgone conclusion. You may find a way to live without transitioning.

Thats right MarySue for now I'm doing what I have to do for my family and while I hope I can transition some day I know I cant right now. So I'll just have another kid kat-next week! :-\ Damn diet spoils all the fun. I used to eat like a horse but now I just eat like a person- thats how I've lost the fat. I really wish I could have taken the stomach fat and put it on my hips! And yeah I know hormones can do that, yup wonderful.Hmmm time for a chocolate covered peanut! 8)
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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Chrissty

Quote from: coolJ on January 08, 2009, 04:38:38 AM
I have been married three times now, have four children by two Mothers, tried suicide twice and thought about it at least four times. 

I'm still on my first marriage...25 years...*sigh* ::)

I guess I'm "lucky" in the suicide respect...I've only had momnetary "flashes" where I have thought about it so far...but then I guess it only takes a moment, so I need to be careful.  :icon_flamed:

...and chocolate peanuts? .....what diet is that?....I want it ...I want it! :icon_biggrin:
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stephb

This is something that I, too, have struggled with for years. At present, I am trying to accept that I will never transition and live as a woman, but that doesn't make it any easier. I can't say that I will be able to do it forever. I won't really know that until I die.

After seeing a therapist several years ago and confirming my diagnosis, I almost transitioned, and my marriage of over 35 years almost was destroyed. Although I have no doubts that I am TS and that I should have been a woman, I pulled back from it out of responsibility to my wife and children. It's still not easy. I know what I am inside. Somedays, I tell myself to just get through another day.

Some of the arguments the I had with myself have helped to keep things in perspective. There's the wish that I had done something many years ago before I met my wife and involved her in this. The problem is that I love her dearly and know that she is the best thing that ever happened to me. I can't imaging never meeting her and never having my children.

I also know that I would do anything to make her safe and happy without hesitation. That includes donating vital organs and shielding her from bullets. So, not transitioning is kind of like a form of death also. This doesn't make it much easier. Getting older (almost 60), I also realize that my chance to be a woman is all but gone anyway.

So, none of this probably helps, does it? At least you can be assured that there others like you who are trying to do their best and that it can work ... at least, so far.

Good luck,

Steph
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postoplesbian

Quote from: stephb on January 08, 2009, 02:43:34 PM
This is something that I, too, have struggled with for years. At present, I am trying to accept that I will never transition and live as a woman, but that doesn't make it any easier. I can't say that I will be able to do it forever. I won't really know that until I die.

After seeing a therapist several years ago and confirming my diagnosis, I almost transitioned, and my marriage of over 35 years almost was destroyed. Although I have no doubts that I am TS and that I should have been a woman, I pulled back from it out of responsibility to my wife and children. It's still not easy. I know what I am inside. Somedays, I tell myself to just get through another day.

Some of the arguments the I had with myself have helped to keep things in perspective. There's the wish that I had done something many years ago before I met my wife and involved her in this. The problem is that I love her dearly and know that she is the best thing that ever happened to me. I can't imaging never meeting her and never having my children.

I also know that I would do anything to make her safe and happy without hesitation. That includes donating vital organs and shielding her from bullets. So, not transitioning is kind of like a form of death also. This doesn't make it much easier. Getting older (almost 60), I also realize that my chance to be a woman is all but gone anyway.

So, none of this probably helps, does it? At least you can be assured that there others like you who are trying to do their best and that it can work ... at least, so far.

Good luck,

Steph

You and cool J will always be women to me.. and your next life will be whatever woman you dream.. or if you don't come back you will spend eternity above as a woman :)
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coolJ

So, none of this probably helps, does it? At least you can be assured that there others like you who are trying to do their best and that it can work ... at least, so far.


Hey Steph, this does help and thank you for sharing what seems to be just like my situation! And I cant even think about tommorrow let alone 20 years from now-woah! :o And thats a perfect analogy about it being like death!!!!!!

And you and Chrissty got me beat as I'll be married 20 years in a few months. 8) I sure wish my wife would get me some nice leather stiletto boots.  ;)
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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coolJ

You and cool J will always be women to me.. and your next life will be whatever woman you dream.. or if you don't come back you will spend eternity above as a woman

Hi PostopLesbian, God I so hope this is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Hmm, me thinks I get a little carried away sometimes....................... :D
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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stephb

Quote from: coolJ on January 08, 2009, 04:33:14 PM
You and cool J will always be women to me.. and your next life will be whatever woman you dream.. or if you don't come back you will spend eternity above as a woman

That's one of my other coping mechanisms ... thinking about my next life as a woman. Although I'm not religious, the idea of reincarnation has an appeal that I like to dream of sometimes. Don't get me wrong ... I love my wife and family, and I appreciate that they have helped my life (as it is) to be as good as it could be and brought me much happiness. There's just this one thing wrong with it, and it's me.

Steph
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Wendy C

I noted the comments of Mary Sue and Steph about not taking transition to its end. There are those that do this and I personally feel it all boils down to how much punishment you as an individual can withstand.

For the vast majority GID eventually consumes you and no matter how much you will have to give up, or who you might hurt in the process becomes a mute point. You simply cannot go on another day pretending to be someone you are not. Even actresses and actors can go home at the end of the day and be themselves. For those of us in the latter catagory, there is no choice but to transition or die, plain and simple, period.

I  know what it is to try and hold things together for the sake of the family, I did it for well over thirty years. I would crash, pick myself up and knock the dust off, re-analyze what method of supression failed to work, find another wall to build or cause to use and go awhile longer. But at some point in time you grow tired of being a silent martyr that cannot share with others your true self and it wears you down and why must you be the one to carry that silent burden til death overtakes you? Why is it that you must be the one to suffer a lifetime? Don't you really deserve a little peace in you life also?

And it wasnt until I finally realized this and surrenderd myself that I started feeling that peace. And while it hurts tremedously that I have hurt my wife and lost half my family in the process, those that have supported me will all tell you that they have never seen a happier person now that I have transitioned. WE all have to walk our lives as best we can but there is nothing written either that says you have to live your life in pain. Just my thoughts on the matter and I hope you all find your peace. Hugs

Wendy
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coolJ

For the vast majority GID eventually consumes you and no matter how much you will have to give up, or who you might hurt in the process becomes a mute point. You simply cannot go on another day pretending to be someone you are not. Even actresses and actors can go home at the end of the day and be themselves. For those of us in the latter catagory, there is no choice but to transition or die, plain and simple, period

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This is what I feel is happening and I'm actually surprised its feeling as tormenting as it really is. :'( I just dont understand why its so hard to do what I've been doing for the past 3 decades.  :-\ It figures the happy pills are already starting to lose effect. Great. The way I feel on this flippin rollercoaster when it hits the valleys I just dont know how much longer I can hold out. This kinda makes me mad that I hit something I cant overcome. I know this sounds prideful but its just the way it is. The one thing in life that I'm afraid of is hurting my family and now its me thats on the verge of doing the hurting. Why is it so important for me to come out and transition now. ???

I feel like darth vader when he says to Luke its too late for me son........................
and this really pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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MarySue

I suppose I should say something about my situation.

In RL, I present as a stereotypical male nerd. However, I've wanted to be a girl ever since I was a kid. But I don't consider myself "a woman trapped in a man's body." Not if you put it like that. I'm me. Yes, I'd rather I'd been born in a female body. But I don't feel trapped in this one. It's just not the body I would have chosen.

Do I consider myself a woman? Well, yes, I guess. But more by default. It's more accurate to say that I don't consider myself to be a guy. Do I hate my male equipment? No. It's what I've got. Do I love it? No, not that much. Would I consider trading it in? Yes, but I'd be disappointed if the new model didn't respond as well. :)

Unlike "standard guys," I dislike sports, I hate getting dirty, I don't like beer, I've never "cruised for chicks," and I don't see any point in hanging out with guys at a bar.

When I was in college in the late 60's, I considered transitioning. I didn't because I was afraid I'd look like a freak, or I'd end up even more mixed up than I already was. As a bright, non-athletic, and probably rather snotty nerd, I'd gotten a lot of verbal abuse in school. It left me with "anger issues," to put it mildly. The good news: I was bright enough to keep my anger under control, so my school isn't as famous as Columbine High. The bad news: I was bright enough to hide it, so it took a long time before I stopped hating the world.

Also, I didn't meet the criteria of the day for SRS. That is, I wasn't so desperate that I was going to take a razor and "do it myself," or slit my throat. And I wasn't interested in guys, which was another no-no. Not that I was all that interested in women; I didn't date until I was 24. And while we're on that, in the subsequent 36 years, I've dated maybe six women, total. I've never married. I did live with one girlfriend for a few months, but other than that I've lived alone for almost 40 years. I haven't been involved with anyone for over a decade.

When I got out of college, I "dealt with" my gender issues by burying myself in work. Actually, I guess I did that in college as well. I did fantasize that some fairy godmother would magically turn me into the girl I wanted to be, sometimes daily, but that was never more than a silly dream. Except for forums like this, I've never reached out to the LGBT community, or told anyone about my gender problems. I do cross dress, but only occasionally, and only in private, never in public.

When I was 30, I tried "living as a woman" for a week. I bought a basic wardrobe: a dress or two, a few skirts and blouses, a bra, pantyhose, medium heels. They were slightly dressy, perhaps, but they weren't fancy or fetishy. It was just what I saw stylish women wearing at work. Then I took a week of vacation, intending to spend it in my apartment, dressed. I couldn't do it. It was fun at first, particularly learning how to walk in heels and how to sit in a dress. But after a few hours, I ended up sitting on my couch, reading an SF novel. By then my dress and heels seemed ... well, pointless. And I felt trapped in the apartment. I switched to guy-mode and went out for a walk.

After that, I've only cross-dressed occasionally. Sometimes it relaxes me. Other times not. But I've never wanted to do it for more than an hour or two at a time. And a lot of the time, transforming myself into an ersatz female just seems like ... work.

Putting all of that together, I think it's safe to say that my GID is not as advanced as yours. If, indeed, I really suffer from GID at all. But clearly I suffer from something, because the desire to be a women is still down there, somewhere. And I visit this site every day.

When I came to this forum, a few months ago, I was seriously considering transitioning. The trigger was another pending life change: namely, retirement. After all, I don't have a wife to consider, my parents are dead, and it wouldn't affect my career (if, indeed, it ever would have). My acquaintances would be shocked, but unless they choked on their dentures, they'd get over it in a few weeks. And I could afford it, although it would make a big dent in my retirement account.

But for now, at least, I've decided not to. In part, that's because whatever desire I had a few months ago has been sublimated by hanging out at Susan's, amazingly enough. Kinda the opposite of coolJ's reaction. I've discovered that given the choice of wearing a dress or hanging out at Susan's, I generally hang out at Susan's. Go figure!

But mostly it's because I asked myself: What would transitioning do for me? Sure, I could wear a dress in public. Okay, that would be fun for a week or two, but after that, so what? It's not like I go clubbing or anything like that. My driver's license would say "F". Big deal. People would see me as a woman. If I was interested in guys, that might be an advantage, but I'm not. Yeah, guys might hold doors for me. Hey, I'm old enough that people sometimes do that already! So when you get down to it, what difference would it really make?

The only possible advantage I could see is that my (few) female friends might accept me as their new girlfriend. That might be fun, and it might open me up to a whole new set of relationships. However, it's just as likely that they'll freak out and reject me altogether.

So that's how I've dealt with whatever GID I have. If you can call that dealing.
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Chrissty

Hi MarySue,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, it's always refreshing to hear a different point of view, and I can identify with a lot of your reasoning.

:icon_hug:

Chrissty
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coolJ

Hey Mary Sue, I think your alot more balanced than I am. And my situation is way different. I was kinda small and gentle looking until 7th grade when I began to lift and fight the kids that used to bully me. It was generally accepted by my peers at the time that effeminate guys were the devil. And athletic guys got attention and respect. So I then became the monster I am today. :'( With my Mom passing and almost losing people really close to me I lost the strength I had to repress the inner me. Thats where I'm at now. I have everything to lose if I come out and transition right now yet I'm almost compelled to do so. I'm real healthy and strong, I make good money, and most importantly I have a beautiful family. So I really for their sake would like to control this need to be who I've been running away from my entire life.  :-\ And when I put on my stash I dont want to take it off- its horrible when I have too. I cant stand looking at me either- its horrible. I dont hate the genitals as long as they're not on me! I dont want them on my body, I just dont. I like pantyhose and would wear them just about everyday if I could because thats just my stlye. The feeling I get is always the same it just feels right and in a strange way familiar. :-\ And coming here I feel relieved yet sad for the others like me who are in similar boats. I cant transition and its killing me and yet I still cant understand why I want to so bad. I guess I'm just selfish or nuts. Bad day I guess,sorry.
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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MarySue

Quote from: coolJ on January 10, 2009, 08:56:46 PM
I cant transition and its killing me and yet I still cant understand why I want to so bad.

CoolJ,

Something about that statement just hit me. Is it possible that you want it so bad because you can't have it??

Yes, I know that's how little kids behave. But let's face it, we all behave like little kids at times. And usually when we least expect it!

Apologies in advance if I'm way off base.

In any case, I don't think you're being selfish. If you were selfish, you'd go ahead and transition, and you wouldn't give a damn what effect it has on your family. Nor do I think you're nuts. Just confused. Join the club, honey. :)

-- The entity occasionally known as Mary Sue
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coolJ

Hi MarySue, thanks for your input and yes I guess I am whining like a baby. I'm not one for playing the fiddle often so I'm just gonna quit it. 8) As far as knowing I cant have it hmmm, the problem is I can have it and my temptation keeps growing. I have enough money set aside that I want to use for my family and I'm healthy enough to do it too so the "temptation" or desire to transition is I think anyway more because its what I can have.........You see if my wife ever softens on this I'm gonna start so I think thats the real problem- it being so close I can taste it! Another problem is I'm tired of feeling like a fake or out of place so it goes farther than just wanting it so bad. As far as acting like a little kid your probably right.  Hell I had problems but I still loved being little. 8)
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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Dark

Quote from: Jeatyn on January 03, 2009, 08:28:34 AM
in a word, no

I don't think you should live your life to please others. I know it's hard. But you will never be truly happy. And to be honest, I don't think it's fair on your wife either. Does she want to be in love with a lie? She deserves better than that and so do you.

I totally agree with this  :)  ..this is pretty much exactly what I was thinking after I read the first post.
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Chrissty

Hi coolJ

Quote from: coolJ on January 10, 2009, 08:56:46 PM
With my Mom passing and almost losing people really close to me I lost the strength I had to repress the inner me.

After my first therapy session last week, realised that my feelings had significantly increased after I had an accident in August last year.... so it would seem that trauma in our lives may act as a trigger and "open the box".... When my father dies (if I make it that far) I am going to have to be very careful.

Quote from: coolJ on January 11, 2009, 03:30:19 AM
As far as knowing I cant have it hmmm, the problem is I can have it and my temptation keeps growing.

I attended my first therapy session as a guy, I have my second session at the end of the month.... Today I woke up having a stong temptation to attend the next session en-femme, and we are still only in the introduction phase..

:icon_hug:

Chrissty
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katherine

Hi Coolj,
I dealt with this most of my life, who here hasn't.  I am married.  I tried to resist and put myself through situations that I thought would keep my mind in line with my physical self.  I failed miserably.  In the end, I became suicidal and during a moment of extreme depression, I realized that I wanted to live.  I was crying hard, picked up the phone and called my mother.  That's how I came out to her.  Shortly after that I came out to someone else who introduced me to a therapist.  Like others here, I married.  Partly out of love, but also to force myself to live as a man. Not a good decision, but it happened and I have to deal with that.  I don't want to hurt her either and am responsible for the position I put us in.
  I put off hormone treatment and living as a woman because I didn't want to hurt her.  My therapist once told me that I have to live my own life, otherwise I'll never be happy.  She's been right so far.  Therapy is the first, and a very important, step.  It helped just to be able to talk to someone.  My experience has been that you really can't slow it down.  For me, that caused a depression that I could never have even imagined.  In the end, you either choose to hurt the ones you love, or you live a life of misery, unhappiness, and depression, sometimes manageable and sometimes much less so.  As stated by others, only you can make that decision.
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Sephirah

I just have one question for you to ponder... how much is your traumatised mental state due to the built up frustration and increasing need to do something about the way you feel... how much is that already impacting on those you love?

Forcing it away for fear of hurting people... could they not already be hurt when you're too distracted by this, too introspective to give them the attention they want? Be careful you don't inadvertantly do exactly what you want to avoid.

Inner peace doesn't stay inner... it radiates outwards and touches all those around you. As does inner turmoil. You can hide your inner self, but by closing the cell door on something that yearns to be free... I doubt it will stay quiet... and even if you're the only one listening, be careful it doesn't deafen you to the voices of others.

Just my thoughts.
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katherine

Hi Leiandra,
You bring up a very valid point.  My wife knows I'm still dealing with this, though I try not to show it.  Every now and then, however, she asks me if I'm alright.  I know what she is referring to, but she won't discuss it further.  She is aware and I know that at times she "feels" things aren't quite right.  I can't put into words how desperately I don't want her hurt by this, but at the same time, I know she will be and all I can do is try to make it less painful, though I don't know how.  Anyway, when you've lived with someone for a few years (28 years in my case), it's very difficult, if not impossible, to hide what is inside when the inner turmoil is so strong.
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