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Bowers vs. McGinn -- Opinions?

Started by kytheragraves, January 14, 2009, 08:29:41 PM

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Sandy

Quote from: DanielleP on January 20, 2009, 08:34:18 PM
Hands down...if I was going to have this surgery again, I would use Dr. Christine McGinn.  While The First Lady of Doylestown has been referenced in a previous reply, I am the 2nd Lady of Doylestown.  Actually Christine's 3rd surgery.  I believe her 2nd surgery was actually perormed in Bensalem.  At any rate, I feel that Christine's expertise exceeds, in a lot of cases, Marci's.  And in my case, only about a 5 hour drive, which has been very convenient for the several follow-up visits I have had.  While she is very professional, she is equally caring and understanding.  If any specific questions require further answers, please let me know.  My GCS (Gender Confirming Surgery) took place in August, 2007. 

Take care everyone,
Danielle
Danielle!

It's great to hear from you!  I had spoken to Theresa quite a bit before my surgery, but I did not have a chance to talk to you.

If I knew you were out there I would have contacted you.  I am the good doctor's fifth GCS patient.  And everything you said is true.  She has a passion that I have not seen elsewhere.  She wants to help trans people.  She says that she has the best job in the world.

I have no regrets having my surgery performed by her.

-Sandy

BTW: Why don't you post about your experience with your surgery?
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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DanielleP

A couple more comments subsequent to my last posting.  First of all is to Sandy.  Hey girl, if you are the Sandy from the area of the Windy city, we have talked and I actually visited with you following your surgery at DSI.  If it's you, think back....my wife also was there.

I really think the differences between these two excellent surgeons pretty much boils down to this.

Which is nearer to you for possible followups.  The need for this, will, in all likelihood be needed.  A member of my support group had the surgery since Teresa's and mine.  Her's was with Marci.  And she had excellent results....for a while, but then complications arose.  She sent pictures, etc. to Marci, got recommendations of things to try with her local GYN, but ended up by visiting Dr. McGinn to address her problem.  Much cheaper and convenient for her to drive the 6 hrs or so than to fly to Trinidad, I guess.  Dr. McGinn pretty much redid the surgery to correct the problem.  Of course, Dr. McGinn charged for this,  Dr. Bowers might not have, but this girl felt that Dr. McGinn was highly qualified based on Teresa's and my recommendations, I presume.  At any rate, this being major, major surgery, it's always a good policy to be able to have follow-up, if needed.  In my case, living on the East coast, I was very reluctant to visit Colorado or Arizona.  I first met Christine in Philadelphia at a TG conference in April, 2007.  This was before she actually finished her plastic surgery residency.  We probably met three or four times over that weekend along with her partner, Lisa, who at that time was performing the electrolysis for the surgery.  After my first visit with her, I had decided she was to be my surgeon.  Teresa was with me at the time.  She wasn't necessarily planning to meet with Christine.  Teresa was very sceptical about going with a new surgeon.  But after Teresa met with Christine, she was also convinced.  Since Teresa had been living as a woman some 15 years, she was able to arrange to be Christine's first.  I would have simply loved to have that distinction, but I had just started the Real Life Test 1/1/2007.  So my therapist was comfortable with my August, 2007 date, but wasn't prepared to allow my surgery earlier.  We first three McGinn women know we were the ginny pigs, so to speak.  But all has turned out fantastically.

One of the other things that convinced me was that Christine is a general surgeon and a plastic surgeon.  Marci is a GYN.  Of course, Marci is vastly qualified to  do this surgery, but still, having someone familiar with all aspects of surgery appealed to me.

As has been mentioned in an earlier post, Marci is very busy, with several surgeries a week.  While Dr. McGinn is getting more and more business, I believe she still allows more time and energy to each individual surgery.

I don't know that age would be a factor at this point, but Dr. McGinn is much younger.  At any rate, this is a long surgery, especially if you add Breast Augmentation, as some of us do, stamina is very important.

This item I'm not sure of, but how easy is Trinidad to get to, versus Philly.  On the surface, it seems, Philly would be much easier, regardless of your location, unless you are close enough to drive to Trinidad, or Scottsdale(I believe that's where Meltzer is).

Well, anyway, these are just a few more of my thoughts.  Personally, I'm just so happy with my surgery that after 17 months, I still find myself crying with joy at finally being me.  While I don't imagine Dr. McGinn does any surgeries in Doylestown anymore, but if you can, if you have the surgery with Dr. McGinn at DSI in Bensalem, it would definitely be worth the drive north to upper Bucks county and visit the Doylestown area.  I certainly consider that my new birthplace.

Hug to all,
Dani

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Sandy

Quote from: DanielleP on January 21, 2009, 03:48:05 PM
First of all is to Sandy.  Hey girl, if you are the Sandy from the area of the Windy city, we have talked and I actually visited with you following your surgery at DSI.  If it's you, think back....my wife also was there.

Hug to all,
Dani
Dani!

Yes, I am and you are!  Not only that you may remember the 3+ hour phone call we had when I first called Theresa.  Some of my time being laid up I do admit I am a bit fuzzy on (I *love* morphine), but I do remember you and your wife.  We had a wonderful time.

Also I think the only way to get to Trinidad quickly is to live there!  Isn't it like a three hour drive from Denver?  If true, then Philly is definitely closer!  My ride from the airport to Doylestown was about an hour if I recall.

The hospital in Bensalem (DSI of Bucks County) is more like a 5 star hotel rather than a hospital.  It is really upscale.  Both in conveniences and staff.  All top-notch.  Dani is right though, Doylestown is a wonderful place to visit.  Theresa was my tour guide while I was there.

And I too am a cheerleader for Dr. McGinn.  She has a passion for doing this work that really appealed to me.  And yes, while I have had my name and gender changed on my birth certificate it should also say 3/13/08 in Bensalem PA!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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DanielleP

At the time of Sandy's surgery, Dr. McGinn's office was in Doylestown, her surgery was at DSI in Bensalem, PA.  Now Dr. McGinn's office is at the same location as the surgery, DSI.  So that makes travel even simplier.

Dani
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MMarieN

Hi everyone, I'm Marie.

It's interesting that I came across this thread. I'm in the process of deciding between Bowers and McGinn right now. It's a difficult choice for me. I have my letters and insurance pre approved me for surgery. In terms of quality, it's a toss up. They both have very good reputations. So it's just a question of where to go. So far, the breakdown looks like this:

McGinn advantages
She can do my surgery as soon as April
It's easier to get to Philadelphia than Trinidad.
A very good private hospital
I have friends that live in the Philly area
I can get family to travel and stay with me

McGinn disadvantages
Relatively new surgeon
No recovery house
Expensive hotel rooms (approx. $180/night)
No real community
I have to pay the full cost of surgery and hospitalization up front

Bowers advantages
More experience
Recovery house is available for $85/night
A trans community
I only have to pay for Dr. Bowers's surgery expenses up front. Hospital expenses will be billed directly to insurance

Bowers disadvantages
Difficult to get to
No friends in the area
Family likely would not be able to travel with me
Not scheduled for surgery until September, 2009. I am on the short list for earlier openings though.

So you can see why I'm torn about this all.

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DanielleP

Hi Marie,

Your pros/cons between the two are pretty much right on.  However, I certainly would not hold Dr. McGinn's newness against her.  Marci, of course has been doing the procedures much longer, but as Christine has said...I have much more experience on my first patients  than Marci had on her first patients.  And Christine studied under Marci.

And on the lodging, I think you can do better than $180/night, maybe closer to $100.  When she did my surgery in Doylestown, I actually paid $65-$70/night.  But sadly to say, Doylestown is not an option any longer.  And, in the past, with your surgery at DSI, I believe one person can actually stay overnight in you hospital room with you.  The rooms are very large and spacious, with a full-size sofa, I believe.

Good luck...I know you can hardly wait!!

Dani
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aubrey

Are there any pictures of McGinn's work floating around? One disadvantage for me (between her and Brassard) is the lack of 'proof'. I'm not an expert or anything but pictures of Marci's work looked wrong to me (plz don't kill me).
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Sandy

Quote from: aubrey on February 02, 2009, 08:55:54 AM
Are there any pictures of McGinn's work floating around? One disadvantage for me (between her and Brassard) is the lack of 'proof'. I'm not an expert or anything but pictures of Marci's work looked wrong to me (plz don't kill me).
Check out her website:
http://drchristinemcginn.com/  Look in the section for the surgeries.  Note: They are NOT worksafe and quite explicit.

I'm not sure what you mean by "wrong" *mine looks fine*.  But if you have specific questions I'm sure the surgeons can address them.
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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DanielleP

Mine looks fine as well....both top and bottom, and I only did the one-stage.  Although some subsequent fine tuning, at no charge, resulted in a mini-labiaplasty, of sorts.  The vaginal vestible ended up being a little longer.  More of a straight shot into my vagina. 

Dani
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aubrey

Quote from: Sandy on February 02, 2009, 09:40:51 AM
Quote from: aubrey on February 02, 2009, 08:55:54 AM
Are there any pictures of McGinn's work floating around? One disadvantage for me (between her and Brassard) is the lack of 'proof'. I'm not an expert or anything but pictures of Marci's work looked wrong to me (plz don't kill me).
Check out her website:
http://drchristinemcginn.com/  Look in the section for the surgeries.  Note: They are NOT worksafe and quite explicit.

I'm not sure what you mean by "wrong" *mine looks fine*.  But if you have specific questions I'm sure the surgeons can address them.
What I meant by wrong is that I just didn't like the way they looked (Marci's work). I hope that they were the exception, but there was a consistency to each one that makes me think not. Thnx for the link hon. Though very good McGinn's work doesn't appear consistent or natural to me, overall. I hope it's a picture vs. reality thing.
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Natasha

Quote from: aubrey on February 02, 2009, 08:55:54 AM
I'm not an expert or anything but pictures of Marci's work looked wrong to me (plz don't kill me).

what's "wrong" with them? ???  inquiring minds want to know.


http://www.marcibowers.com/grs/srsoutcomes.html

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Rebecca Liz

When I met Dr. Bowers in April of last year, she commented on her photos on her website. They are very old, and her technique has changed and improved several times since then. She just hasn't gotten the photos updated. I know several girls that went to Dr. Bowers recently, and have seen the results personally. I am beyond impressed with how genuine they appear.
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MMarieN

It's official. I just paid my deposit and secured my date.

I'm having GRS with Dr. McGinn on April 7.

I am one happy camper right now.
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Sandy

Quote from: MMarieN on February 03, 2009, 01:59:02 PM
It's official. I just paid my deposit and secured my date.

I'm having GRS with Dr. McGinn on April 7.

I am one happy camper right now.

Congratulations Marie!

The date will be here before you know it!  Keep us posted on your progress.

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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katherine

#34
Congratulations Marie! I can't even imagine how excited you must be.  Wishing you the best and a speedy recovery!!

I have had my therapy, though I will go back to my therapist again. She was prepared to provide me with my letter, however, I allowed family concerns to take precedent. I can't do that any longer. It's been a few years and I haven't started rlt or hormones.  I need to get back on track.  Anyway, I've already started my financial planning.  My present job, if I do it another year will work things out.  I've seen that the focus regarding surgeons has been pretty much limited to two doctors.  I'm interested in finding a surgeon as well so that I can get a reasonable cost estimate.
Are there other equally good or better surgeons?  I know there are plenty of resources regarding this, but I really prefer getting information from the women who have "been there and done that".
I'd truly appreciate anyone's input on this.  The responses here regarding the two surgeons are very positive and I have checked their websites.  Thank you.   

Also, does anybody know anything about Dr. Suporn in Thailand?  Again, thanks.
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mmelny

Quote from: MMarieN on February 03, 2009, 01:59:02 PM
It's official. I just paid my deposit and secured my date.

I'm having GRS with Dr. McGinn on April 7.

I am one happy camper right now.

Best wishes for a happy and successful surgery Marie!   If you care to post back your experiences with Dr McGinn, I'm guessing that there are many of "us" (ie, future SRS patients, looking at Dr. McGinn) in the audience interested in hearing about it.

*huggs*,
Melan
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Ms.Behavin

Congrats Marie,  It seems like a long way away at the moment, but the time passes Quickly.  Then one evening you'll be doing the Bowel prep shuffle and Going YES Tomorrows the day.  Oddly enough when the big day arives the first hour flys by, a quick meeting with the good doctor, sign a few forms at DSI,  Head back to the prep area, to change into the lovely hospital gown and chat with the nurses.  Then your wheeled into the OR, where then the lights go out in less then 5 minutes. Then no time passes and as the haze starts to lift, you wonder where you are.  Then the nurse will say where does it hurt.  Or to me anyway.  For me my left leg was killing me where it sat in the sturrup so long, it far exceeded the discomfort of the SRS site (more a bloated/ stuffed feeling there).

Of course you have other milestones after that.  Just standing beside the bed was fun the first time.  Then the removal of the folley and the first dilation where Dr. Mcginn will show you the new equipment.  Mind you it will look sort of like the bride of frankenstine, only not so nice.  But it does heal and start to look better as the swelling goes down.  Give it a week or two and it starts to lookMUCH  better.  I found the scaring to be minimal and far less then I expected from some of the photos on other sites. 

Enjoy the wait, and good luck

Beni



   

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MMarieN

For the record, it looks like Dr. McGinn is no longer using DSI. Her office staff told me that DSI was bought out by a Catholic hospital group and is forcing Dr. McGinn to move to a different hospital. I'm booked for Lower Bucks Hospital.
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kytheragraves

I consulted with Dr. McGinn. How impressed was I? My surgery is scheduled for August.

She spent nearly two hours with me and my partner and I trusted her the moment we sat down. She is smart, funny, and down to earth. Also, she took one look at me and correctly guessed I'd had my gall bladder removed and diagnosed my mild anemia from the color of my eye sclera. I thought that was impressive. And a long time ago in a galaxy far far away she flew Cobra helicopters so you know she has good hands.

Really, I can't say enough good things about her. She took so much time with us and explained things in such detail that I felt guilty for monopolizing her schedule. She was so friendly and so real that I felt I'd known her for years. Lisa in the office was wonderful too. My partner and I drove home positively glowing.
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Maya

Great topic, thanks everyone for the information.

Maya
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