sexual preference and androgynes

[Barbara/Brandon]

I like  Pica person 
hahaha......
Generally for me it is the person that counts. genitals are not the issue.

There are no Pica persons where I live  I live on an island far away......


Seriously, though, for me it is more about the spiritual, philosophical mind of a person that attracts me. Unfortunately a brain in a bottle just does not do for me though. I do need a bit more interaction.

..........okay i'll go back to lurking again, tell me when you bring out the tea and cake 

[RebeccaFog]

You don't have to lurk.

Pica lives on an island too

[Barbara/Brandon]

Thanks Rebis 

I am working on building up my courage.......

I am so totally androgynous and as I have worked through this identity, I have also learned to understand my sexuality. I have been through the hetero thing, then the lesbian thing, then the gender dysphoria and not making sense in my mind of wanting to identify as male and then still liking men ? Oh the naievity of youth, what wonderful confusion. Then understanding that as my gender identity is not important, to me, so my attraction to people is not based on their gender, but on thier basic humanity.

I enjoy this site and the insanity of it, the way people of Androgynland unite in humour, sincerity and understanding of each other.

[Jaimey]

Okay. 

There's 'relationship' and there's 'sex'.

Sex (as if I ever do it anyway) is fine for me with any of the existing body types.  Female, male, mixed. As long as there is either attraction or lust.

Exactly.  In all honesty, I could have sex with anybody.  I don't really have a preference.  But I'd rather have sex with someone I can talk to...which means men for me. 

[Pica Pica]

I am so totally androgynous and as I have worked through this identity,

got any tips?

[Nicky]

I am so totally androgynous and as I have worked through this identity,

got any tips?

No need to get all rude on the new guyrl    .

[Pica Pica]

not sexual tips, i get those from ancient historical texts...song of songs anyone?

[Barbara/Brandon]

Ummmmm, I went to a gender therapist and spoke alot.....cried here and there....had a good laugh (at the thought of me wearing a bright pink caftan top with my very butch camoflage pants, with tourquoise sandals......well, it actually was not a thought, it is TRUE  )........long story short, my therapist felt I was truly at peace with myself, and sent me off into the wide world to just be me.
Generally I am asexual, as I am not a hunter and am totally inadequate in a social context, so find it difficult to initiate anything 
My theory of androgyny is based on a persons mental capacity to surpass prejudices based on a binary world. To realise ones potential as a human and not be confined to the binary ideal. To accept that one indentifies as androgynous, not by the clothing you wear, or the gender you represent but where your heart and soul find peace and fulfillment. The basic art of just being human.
I am person first.........

[Constance]

Ummmmm, I went to a gender therapist and spoke alot.....cried here and there....had a good laugh (at the thought of me wearing a bright pink caftan top with my very butch camoflage pants, with tourquoise sandals......well, it actually was not a thought, it is TRUE  )........long story short, my therapist felt I was truly at peace with myself, and sent me off into the wide world to just be me.
Generally I am asexual, as I am not a hunter and am totally inadequate in a social context, so find it difficult to initiate anything 
My theory of androgyny is based on a persons mental capacity to surpass prejudices based on a binary world. To realise ones potential as a human and not be confined to the binary ideal. To accept that one indentifies as androgynous, not by the clothing you wear, or the gender you represent but where your heart and soul find peace and fulfillment. The basic art of just being human.
I am person first.........

I think I understand. But, there are times when I can't help but think things would be so much easier if I fit into one binary option or the other.

[Barbara/Brandon]

I think it is about trancending the binary, realising that your worth as a human is not based on what genitals you have.
How would you find meaning and purpose in your life if you had a terrible accident and lost your genitals? Your ability to procreate? Have sex, find pleasure?
Your DNA might determine your biological gender, but you, in your mind (I truly believe this is a headspace thing) can overcome that.
You are ultimately master of your gender identity. Be who you want to be.
Yes it is easier to be a specific gender, because there are blueprints for the binary. When you embrace androgyny, you walk in unchartered territory.....one could say we are the anarchists of gender identity.......but believe it or not, anarchists do have thier own subtle rules and norms for those wanting to identify.

[Constance]

Basically, I oscillate between self-acceptance and self-rejection. Usually, I'm okay with being outside of the binary. But, there are those times when I'm not so okay with it.

[Nicky]

I don't think being androgyne is something you can just decide to become. It feels too innate to me, I had no choice in it. That terrified lost child that I was had no choice in this. If you can overcome it with your mind then why doesn't it work when they tell MtF's to man up? Why didn't it work when I tried to be a boy? Why would any of us suffer as much as we do in trying to fight our nature?

I am also very hesitant to think in terms of us being a kind of transcendent human because quite frankly it hurts too much. It also is not a funcitonal thing to be in my society. At best we are just another way of being. At worse we are broken handicap people. My internal gender is broken.

It is nice and romantic to think of ourselves as advanced humans but I really don't think we are.

[Shana A]

I don't think being androgyne is something you can just decide to become. It feels too innate to me, I had no choice in it. That terrified lost child that I was had no choice in this. If you can overcome it with your mind then why doesn't it work when they tell MtF's to man up? Why didn't it work when I tried to be a boy? Why would any of us suffer as much as we do in trying to fight our nature?

I am also very hesitant to think in terms of us being a kind of transcendent human because quite frankly it hurts too much. It also is not a funcitonal thing to be in my society. At best we are just another way of being. At worse we are broken handicap people. My internal gender is broken.

It is nice and romantic to think of ourselves as advanced humans but I really don't think we are.

I agree it is innate. I didn't chose my gender identity or expression, it's just who I am. I'm simply wired this way. I also don't think we're inherently advanced as humans, anymore than anyone else. That said, I am inquisitive, and so I have tried to learn everything I can about others like myself, both currently and throughout history/herstory.

I do think we serve a function though, although I'm not sure exactly what  I'll let you know if I ever figure it out.

Z

[Nicky]

I think we can serve a function too. But I'm not sure if that is function required by humans and we 'evolved' out of that need or a happy accident that our unique abilities meet those needs.


Whatever those needs may be, keep me posted 

[Pica Pica]

I don't think an advanced human being would be anything like me

[Constance]

I don't think an advanced human being would be anything like me

But, you're "one of the world's beautiful people (obviously)!" 

[RebeccaFog]

It is nice and romantic to think of ourselves as advanced humans but I really don't think we are.

well, you just better wise up!   
Post Merge: January 26, 2009, 06:38:03 PM

I do think we serve a function though, although I'm not sure exactly what  I'll let you know if I ever figure it out.

Z

We are the Walrus

[Nicky]

We are the Walrus

I am the apeman goo goo ka chu

[Shana A]

We are the Walrus

I am the apeman goo goo ka chu

I always heard it as "I am the eggman....."

Z

[RebeccaFog]

We are the Walrus

I am the apeman goo goo ka chu

I always heard it as "I am the eggman....."

Z

It's eggman.  I read the lyrics in a poetry of rock book.