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top surgery botched. i'm devastated

Started by Benjamin, February 02, 2009, 08:17:26 AM

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Benjamin

I had top surgery on Jan. 9.  When my surgeon removed the bandages a few days later, I was shocked by how terribly butchered I looked.  I was literally speechless.  Opened my mouth to speak, but no sound came out. 

I tried to take it in stride, though -- crossed my fingers that it'd look better as it heals.  But it looks even worse as I heal.  Someday I'll fill you all in about what it looks like.  I'm not up for that right now, though. 

I can barely stand seeing myself in the mirror.  I can barely stand taking off my shirt to shower.  My dysphoria is off the charts. 

Honestly, it was less traumatic having breasts.  At least when I had breasts, I could cope by reassuring myself they'd be gone someday.  But now... they are gone (sort of... he left tons of tissue behind) and I'm supposed to be free of hunching my shoulders and layering shirts, etc.  But I'm actually more ashamed of my chest than I was before.

I feel traumatized like I've never before in my life. 

I paid $6,000 for this butchered mess -- a mess I'm going to live with for the rest of my life.  I can't afford to have someone fix this.  My surgeon has said he'd do some "touch ups," but I can't even imagine allowing him to lay a finger on me again.  Also, this mess requires more than "touching up."  It needs another full surgery, IMO.

I'm devastated.  Absolutely devastated.  Beside myself with grief.  I don't know if I can live like this.  :'(
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almost,angie

I don`t know what to say other than I`m so sorry you have to feel this way. I sure hope that healing over time will make a difference for you.
  Angie :-*
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Dennis

Did you have peri or DI? And have you looked at photos of what other people look soon after surgery? It does seem pretty soon after your surgery to be able to tell how it's going to turn out in the end. If not, though, I hope you can get revisions. I've seen some really good fix-ups done. In the meantime, does it look ok in a shirt?

Dennis
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mina.magpie

Aw I am so very sorry Benjamin. Is there any legal recourse you can take?

Mina.
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Nero

I'm so sorry to hear this, bud. That's messed up. What surgeon was it?
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tekla

No doubt its crappy advice, but I'd wait a bit before letting too much sadness take hold.  Such surgery is invasive and traumatic, and I bet it takes most people months and months to heal correctly.
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Jay

I'm sorry you feel this way Benjamin. Like you said you wait ages and spend all of your money on having this surgery and you should be thrilled. Like Tekla said wait a while and see, if not I hope you can build up some courage to get some revisions. Also what surgeon was it?


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PolarBear

I'm really sorry about how your surgery turned out, Benjamin.
Perhaps it will look better when the tissue has had time to heal.
I can understand that right now you don't want that surgeon near your body. Hopefully he/she understands your position and another surgeon can do the touch-ups without extra costs.

Take care of yourself.
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Luc

Benjamin, that's awful. I totally feel for you, man, and rather than echo what the rest of folks have said, I'll just say hang in there, because something has to turn around.

One echo: please let us know who the surgeon was; if you want to just IM those of us who ask, please do, so none of us make the same mistake. Sorry you're going through this.

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Benjamin

Thank you all for your comments and support.  I'll respond more tomorrow; I'm on my way out the door right now.  But for now, to put your minds at ease about who the surgeon is...

I'd rather not mention his name here (PM me if you'd like to know), but FYI, he's in southern New Hampshire, USA.   Unlikely any of you will encounter him.  (Lucky for you!)
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Steph

Hey there Benjamin.  Dennis' advise is right on the money.  It takes a while for the site to heal and start to resemble what you envisioned.  I know after my vaginoplasty that i looked absolutely horrendous when they removed my dressings.  But nature took it's course and as each day passed it got better and better.

While i can understand your disappointment at this point in time you may want to consider writing about your experience so that we can publish it for the record so to speak, and it's okay to name names.

steph
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Purple Pimp

Hang in there, man.  Have you had the chance to look at photos of other results from the first month post-op?  I'll echo Steph's remark that after vagino I was a little horrified at how puffy/swollen I was (among other things), but that as the months go by the changes are significant.

Lia
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Benjamin

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Quote from: Dennis on February 02, 2009, 09:04:03 AM
Did you have peri or DI? And have you looked at photos of what other people look soon after surgery? It does seem pretty soon after your surgery to be able to tell how it's going to turn out in the end. If not, though, I hope you can get revisions. I've seen some really good fix-ups done. In the meantime, does it look ok in a shirt?

Dennis

- I had DI... sort of.  He said it was not DI, but the incisions do appear like guys' who've had DI.  So I'm not sure what he means.  He did not do nipple grafts, and did not resize of the nipples and areola.  I know that can be done at some other time...  but at this point, based upon how the rest of my chest looks, I would not let him touch me with a 10-foot pole.

- Before surgery, I had viewed at least 200 photos (on Transter) of people who'd just had surgery.  Which is why, when I saw my chest for the first time, I was speechless.  It was so far off from anything I'd seen. 

- No, it doesn't look OK in a shirt. :(  Even my spouse -- who is normally a voice of reason, an optimist who doesn't upset easily -- told me I should probably start binding again until someone is able to fix this.  (He's been in tears about this, too.)  My 'breasts' show more now than they did before surgery.  Except, now, binding is more challenging because the areas that need to be bound are solid lumps instead of normal fatty breast tissue. 

About fix-ups:  Were the fix-ups you've seen over the years done by the same surgeon who had made the mess to begin with?  (I know that even excellent surgeons may need to revise something.  But this guy is not excellent.)


Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=54691.msg341025#msg341025 date=1233587255
Aw I am so very sorry Benjamin. Is there any legal recourse you can take?

Mina.


Good question.  If it comes to it, I will sue to cover the expenses of revisions with a different surgeon.  Being so soon after the surgery, I'd bet a lawyer would probably tell me I need to wait a few months to see what my final results are.  (True, Dennis?)  It's so clear this will not heal correctly.  But only time will tell the whole story.


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I'm so sorry to hear this, bud. That's messed up. What surgeon was it?


A guy in southern New Hampshire, USA.


Quote from: steph on February 02, 2009, 04:03:52 PM

While i can understand your disappointment at this point in time you may want to consider writing about your experience so that we can publish it for the record so to speak, and it's okay to name names.

steph

Good idea.  I will try to remember to do so.  (As if I'm going to forget about this.)


Is it against site rules to PM photos to people who are interested?


Here's my best attempt at describing my appearance: 

Above my nipples, things look good.  But starting at the nipple area and down:  My areolas protrude like pointy ant hills (around an inch high) because he didn't remove enough tissue underneath that area.  And my nipples are stuck in the "on" position.... large and erect.  About double the size of a pencil eraser.

Underneath the nipple/areola area, there are huge "overhangs" of tissue (and skin? fat?).  So much so that they look like breasts.  They're about 4-1/2 inches in length, with a circumference of about an inch and a half.  My large "ant hill" areolas are pointing downward into the large "overhangs." 

The last time I saw my surgeon, he said he could touch-up things using a local anesthetic in his office.  But... man, I'm no surgeon... but...  I think my chest needs more revising than small "in office" touch-ups.

Anyhow.... thank you all so much for your input and concern.  Means the world to me and my spouse.

Ben

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Nero

#13
wow. it sounds like he tried to do peri or something. i don't get how he could leave that much tissue. i really hope you can have this fixed. sounds awful.
i can only imagine how you must be feeling. this surgery means so much to us and then to have it come out like that... so sorry man.  :(

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Dennis

Ouch, yeah, it doesn't sound like the normal omg post-surgery look. Is it possible that some of the lump stuff is from your seroma?

I think you would have to wait a while before suing, but you should check with a local lawyer. I've seen Brownstein do some spectacular stuff with revisions, and I've also seen some done by the same surgeon who did the initial surgery that turned out well. I can see why you wouldn't want to let the same guy take a second crack at it, but here, if you are suing someone who did a crappy job, you are supposed to give them the opportunity to fix it before you sue. I've never touch medical malpractice so I don't know if that principal applies in those cases. You can probably get a consult with a lawyer who will tell you what the law is where you live.

Had this guy done FtM chest surgery before?

Dennis
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Nigella

Benjamin,

Can't say any more than has already been said, so sorry.

I don't know if you have done this or others have suggested it but you must take photo's from all angles as soon as possible and every week  and dated just in case you need to go to court.

Stardust
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Jeatyn

A lot's already been said but I just wanted to say I'm so sorry it messed up for you  :( hopefully it will improve over time.

I second the idea of taking photos in case you do have to sue (which I definitely would, if it doesn't improve)
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Mister

Ditto on Brownstein's revisions.  I witnessed a pretty miraculous transformation of his firsthand.  It was unreal.

Benjamin, I'm a native of that part of the planet.  i'd really like info on his guy to dissuade old friends from using him if you're comfortable with sharing.
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Benjamin

Quote from: Dennis on February 03, 2009, 09:17:32 AM
Ouch, yeah, it doesn't sound like the normal omg post-surgery look. Is it possible that some of the lump stuff is from your seroma?

I think you would have to wait a while before suing, but you should check with a local lawyer. I've seen Brownstein do some spectacular stuff with revisions, and I've also seen some done by the same surgeon who did the initial surgery that turned out well. I can see why you wouldn't want to let the same guy take a second crack at it, but here, if you are suing someone who did a crappy job, you are supposed to give them the opportunity to fix it before you sue. I've never touch medical malpractice so I don't know if that principal applies in those cases. You can probably get a consult with a lawyer who will tell you what the law is where you live.

Had this guy done FtM chest surgery before?

Dennis


About the seroma, which seems to be resolved:  The side that had the seroma, yes, has a little more lumpy stuff than the other side. 

Yes, he's done around 6 FTM surgeries before.  Not a lot; but not none.  I'd love to talk with some of the other FTMs he's worked on.  I sense he's "winging it" when doing this type of surgery.  And the "winging it" is why I'm leary of allowing him to tweak with me any further.  My gut tells me the tweaking would be just more of his "winging it" as opposed to his truly knowing exactly what technique should be used.


Quote from: Jeatyn on February 03, 2009, 12:40:49 PM

I second the idea of taking photos in case you do have to sue (which I definitely would, if it doesn't improve)


Yes... good idea from Stardust!


Quote from: Mister on February 03, 2009, 02:47:02 PM
Ditto on Brownstein's revisions.  I witnessed a pretty miraculous transformation of his firsthand.  It was unreal.

Benjamin, I'm a native of that part of the planet.  i'd really like info on his guy to dissuade old friends from using him if you're comfortable with sharing.

I'm PM you about the doc.  I'm afraid to say too much about him at this point.  Afraid it'll get back to him.

I wish I could go to Brownstein.  I have tons of issues which would make it so difficult to get there.  Financial issues, medical issues, etc.  I wonder if Brownstein would be willing to at least take a look at a few pics and tell me what he could do if, by some miracle, I could get myself out there.


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Linus

Wow. Sorry to hear what happened. :(

Do you have benefits? The surgeon I'm going to (recommended to me by others) may be able to help and have it covered (not sure but it's worth asking). PM me if you are interested (she and her plastic surgeon associate are in NYC).
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