Homosexuality And The Laws Of Moral Physics

[Natasha]

Homosexuality And The Laws Of Moral Physics

http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212206390.shtml
J. Matt Barber
2/7/09

So, what does the Bible have to say about human sexuality? Specifically, what does Scripture say about homosexuality? 

Again, it's fundamental. Homosexual behavior, like adultery, fornication, incest and bestiality is, under no uncertain terms, classified as sexual immorality in both the Old and New Testaments. The historical and biblical records are unequivocal. In order to reach a contrary conclusion, people like President Obama, who rationalize that the Bible somehow affirms homosexual behavior – or at least remains neutral on the subject – are forced to cast aside any pretense of intellectual honesty and engage in gold medal mental gymnastics. 

[Cindy]

sorry, what's this post about?


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[Just Kate]

I agree with this generally.  From a Biblical standpoint it is pretty straight forward , at least in the Old Testament, and even though Paul's words can be minced a little bit, its also pretty specific in the New Testament.

I know most Christians who rationalize a favorable standpoint on homosexuality do it based on the New Testament's (specifically Jesus') higher tenants of selfless (charitable) love, but in doing so exclusively they can also justify a whole lot of other bad things the Bible warns against.

I don't have strong feelings on this either way with regard to homosexuality or the Bible, but I so feel like it is important to be consistent with your own belief system - or at least if you believe something that IS inconsistent with your cannon, at least recognize it.

EDIT:  I didn't read the article, just responded to the OP's response.

[Lisbeth]

Again, it's fundamental. Homosexual behavior, like adultery, fornication, incest and bestiality is, under no uncertain terms, classified as sexual immorality in both the Old and New Testaments.

Ho hum. Pork, shellfish, divorce, blended fabrics, cleaning of cookware, and all the other things fundamentalists choose to ignore when reading the Bible.

[tekla]

We know exactly what a basic adherence to the bible looks like, its called Hasidic Judaism, and at that only dates back to the 18th Century or so.

[Alyssa M.]

Ho hum. Pork, shellfish, divorce, blended fabrics, cleaning of cookware, and all the other things fundamentalists choose to ignore when reading the Bible.

The last time I checked, the Christian Bible still contained Acts 10-11.

(It also contains commandments in Genesis not to eat any meat whatsoever. Biblical law becomes more liberal the farther you read.)

Let's see if I can give a gloss of the theological implications of Acts 10-11. <ahem>

The Old Testament is not contrary to the New: for both in the Old and New Testament everlasting life is offered to Mankind by Christ, who is the only Mediator between God and Man, being both God and Man. Wherefore they are not to be heard, which feign that the old Fathers did look only for transitory promises. Although the Law given from God by Moses, as touching Ceremonies and Rites, do not bind Christian men, nor the Civil precepts thereof ought of necessity to be received in any commonwealth; yet notwithstanding, no Christian man whatsoever is free from the obedience of the Commandments which are called Moral.

(Okay, I stole that -- here's the link to the source: http://www.saintgabriels.org/bcp/hist.html)

The old shellfish-and-cotton-poly-blend argument won't work with anyone who knows the tiniest bit about Christian theology.

[Lisbeth]

The old shellfish-and-cotton-poly-blend argument won't work with anyone who knows the tiniest bit about Christian theology.

No, but this one will: "It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall. Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall." (Romans 14:21; 1 Corinthians 8:13)

[Alyssa M.]

How so? I'm confused...

[Pica Pica]

sorry, what's this post about?


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the usual, baiting christians.


what are moral physics?

[Cindy]

I hope I don't offend anyone,
But; there no Gods. You live. You die. You rot.
End of story.
Cindy J

[Kimberly]

I hope I don't offend anyone,
But; there no Gods. You live. You die. You rot.
End of story.
Cindy J

Certainly no offense, but I know at least one finds this rather amusing, with a touch of sadness. Simplified.

[Virginia87106]

In my opinion, the belief that the Bible is literally true, ranks right there with the tooth fairy and the easter bunny.

The Bible has wonderful value when read allegorically.  They are stories, and the stories contain the biases of the culture at the time.  NO sacred text should be taken literally, including the Koran, the Hebrew scriptures and the New Testament.

[tekla]

what are moral physics

If you drop your girlfriend, she will fall, but in space no one can hear you scream.

[Pica Pica]

In my opinion, the belief that the Bible is literally true, ranks right there with the tooth fairy and the easter bunny.

The Bible has wonderful value when read allegorically.  They are stories, and the stories contain the biases of the culture at the time.  NO sacred text should be taken literally, including the Koran, the Hebrew scriptures and the New Testament.

of course, the whole point of the koran to muslims is that is the literal, direct and total word of god to the letter, which is why they learn the language to read it in and set such store by remembering chunks. To say the koran shouldn't be taken literally is as against the idea od islam as to say there is no god.

[Virginia87106]

The Sufi branch of Islam do not take the text literally, as well as millions of moderate to liberal Moslems who do not keep the strict Islamic laws.

[Janet_Girl]

Once again, everything is quote but, that Christ said "I am the fulfillment of the law".  Thus voiding the old testament.  And anything that is after the Gospels, wasn't directly from Christ.

They always point to certain passages that were not of Christ.  Christ loved everyone, even the Homosexuals and Transgendered.  So if the Christians are like Christ, they have to love us and forgive us.

Janet

[Alyssa M.]

The Sufi branch of Islam do not take the text literally, as well as millions of moderate to liberal Moslems who do not keep the strict Islamic laws.

Much of what Westerners think of when we think of "Islamic law" does not come from the Qur'an, but from the hadith. There is much more room for dissent and interpretation regarding the hadith than the Qur'an.

[Ms.Behavin]

Well I read the whole little rant and gee, it really depends on which version of the bible one reads.  The KJV and ASV  does not mention the word homosexual anywhere at all.  The WEB version does of course but thats a fairly resent version thats some liberties with the original text.  Of course one should really dig into the original hebrew for the real meaning.

Sorry I'm an old KJV girl and really have a hard time when the WEB bible implies a bit more then the original bible did.  well OK the KJV anyway as that's a rewrite or four away from the original scrolls. 

Frankly if we are all to follow the exact word of the bible, Well not many people truely are. 

 

[Alyssa M.]

Frankly if we are all to follow the exact word of the bible, Well not many people truely are. 

I think I could deal with the 612 mitzvot from the Torah, but that new stuff is just too much -- "turn the other cheek," "forgive your brother seven times seventy-seven times," "do unto others as you would that they do unto you," "love one another as I have loved you." It's so much easier to obsess over antiquated codes of conduct than to actually be a decent person.

[Pica Pica]

i only have to forgive 539 times? my dad must be getting near his limit.