Phases of transition

[Rachael]

* Rachael slaps sense into Mister's head about the womens jeans comment trying to make sense of it and fails.

As for womens shoes: yeah, Sneakers atleast.... the higher instep is win, but then, natal men dont know that and fail epicly when they have high insteps and need specialist shoes

I must admit that it made a difference for me.... When i was starting to plan transition, i was still in the reserve militery. To make me feel better, i got some womens boots, identical but womens (->-bleeped-<- moment ok jeez)... served me well in the army and in sport thereafter. I finally realised why id been getting blisters all that time with mens.... Instep and shape is hugely different. It wins for hiogher arches.

God mister... you made me talk about shoes.... *glares*

[tekla]

you made me talk about shoes.... *glares*

Next we will find Rachael talking about Jimmy Choo or Manolo Blahnik.  The end is near.  Repent. 

[Rachael]

Like... whatever... If its not Prada im totally not interested...

[Mister]

* Rachael slaps sense into Mister's head about the womens jeans comment trying to make sense of it and fails.

As for womens shoes: yeah, Sneakers atleast.... the higher instep is win, but then, natal men dont know that and fail epicly when they have high insteps and need specialist shoes

I must admit that it made a difference for me.... When i was starting to plan transition, i was still in the reserve militery. To make me feel better, i got some womens boots, identical but womens (->-bleeped-<- moment ok jeez)... served me well in the army and in sport thereafter. I finally realised why id been getting blisters all that time with mens.... Instep and shape is hugely different. It wins for hiogher arches.

God mister... you made me talk about shoes.... *glares*

yeah, i totally made you.  from reading my posts, i see the coercion.  sorry about that.

[Rachael]

Good that you learned your place... now lick my boots...

[Mister]

yes ma'am.

[Terra]

Hangon... If the OP's last post is correct... they dont even agree with thier own stages that they said before reflected thier experience... ?


Tbh, If this is a m2f experience, i didnt experience it. Just like Jeatyn.. i had little to no personality pre transition, i was on autopilot. Transition gave me life, but i think the stages are far too rigid and weird to fit anyone sane and functioning....

Returning to a child like meakness and dependance.... nope

growing my own opinions and views... Yeah

Rebeling and being out about things?  Nope

Further rebeling and deciding my own fashions and apearance? well from day one...

Dating and being set in my ways? Pretty much from the Off like Mr... THings went to quick for me to be like this. I was full time and passable within 9 months of starting hrt and begining transition.

As for the fashion magazines being only a secondery source of how to dress... um, where do you think these family and freinds find thier knowlage? Under the sofa? Plus id much rather learn what works for me, than wear what someone wanted me to wear.... So far, its worked pretty good...

Mister: i still wear mens jeans sometimes  The benefits of a patriarcal society!

*Takes off flanel shirt and shaves legs*

Ok, i'm sensing a lot of hostility towards the topic and i'm not sure why. I also don't know how I contradicted myself Rachael, so please point that out.

This is just based on my observations that I gathered from haning out trans-groups in DC and Chicago. If it doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't. People's mentality and maturaty tend to bounce around as they grow older, again I say this from experience in working in various settings.

I don't understand how someone can think i'm speaking for everyone, and I really don't understand the anger. Could someone please explain it to me?

[Chrissty]

I don't understand how someone can think i'm speaking for everyone, and I really don't understand the anger. Could someone please explain it to me?

Hi Terra, just to let you know theirs nothing wrong with your posting, as you can tell from most of the responses..

..it's just that some people here just have a problem everyone and everything in the Universe...

..please don't get dragged down by the comments, just accept that they add colour to the conversation 

Thanks for the topic Honey.



Chrissty

[Mister]

Hi Terra, just to let you know theirs nothing wrong with your posting, as you can tell from most of the responses..

..it's just that some people here just have a problem everyone and everything in the Universe...

..please don't get dragged down by the comments, just accept that they add colour to the conversation 

Thanks for the topic Honey.



Chrissty

Sorry, i disagree (and not for the reason you stated)

The post was based on stereotype, on broad generalization, on the archaic standards of care, on the idea that it takes years and years to transition, etc.

[Chrissty]

The post was based on stereotype, on broad generalization, on the archaic standards of care, on the idea that it takes years and years to transition, etc.

Er..humour me....

....please quote the bit that says "it takes years and years to transition" or that refer "anarchic standards of care" because I'm at a loss to find it in the original post...?

...I say again, there was nothing wrong with the original post, or your original response stating your personal opinion of how things went for you as a comparison...

Chrissty



Chrissty

[Rachael]

Hi Terra, just to let you know theirs nothing wrong with your posting, as you can tell from most of the responses..

..it's just that some people here just have a problem everyone and everything in the Universe...

..please don't get dragged down by the comments, just accept that they add colour to the conversation 

Thanks for the topic Honey.



Chrissty

I do not like being accused of being angry with everything because i dont share your view... sorry, its called disagreement, deal with it...

She first says she and others feel this way... then later, that it wasnt her experience... im confused?

And i dont see how maturity bounces around with age? Surely one gets MORE mature as one gets older?

Although admitedly i do agree.... a lot of transwomen turn into 14yearolds and never get out of it.

[icontact]

The internet bunks geography.

Read what you're quoting.

"how tolerable transition was"
As referring to how accepted you would be.

[Rachael]

Acceptance only matters if you are out...

[placeholdername]

This discussion really isn't going anywhere, and the many of the posts are sounding accusatory, which is regrettable because I personally felt that the original post helped me gain some understanding of myself.  If people feel the need to argue, please go argue somewhere else.

[Chrissty]

I do not like being accused of being angry with everything because i dont share your view... sorry, its called disagreement, deal with it...

She first says she and others feel this way... then later, that it wasnt her experience... im confused?

And i dont see how maturity bounces around with age? Surely one gets MORE mature as one gets older?

Although admitedly i do agree.... a lot of transwomen turn into 14yearolds and never get out of it.

I think this post answers itself.....

With respect to Terra, I don't think I need say more.

Chrissty

[Terra]

This discussion really isn't going anywhere, and the many of the posts are sounding accusatory, which is regrettable because I personally felt that the original post helped me gain some understanding of myself.  If people feel the need to argue, please go argue somewhere else.

Thanks Vesper, hearing that really made my day. ^_^

But you are also right that the post doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Rachael and Mister, I do appreciate your feedback, I also feel bad that you took my post the way you did, and I understand that you don't like my theory in its current form. That has come across quite clearly. So do you now have any constructive suggestions on how to improve it?

I also realize that this seems to come mostly from the MTF viewpoint. I'm not going to lie, this isn't really an accident. I really have not had to much experience with FTMs outside of this forum. So if any would like to weigh in and give their viewpoints I would appreciate it.

If you do not like my post in its original form, feel free to weigh in with suggestions. All I ask is that you use some sort of logic to uphold your contribution, other then that anything is fair game.

[tekla]

Perhaps in some cases, and that's my biggest problem with it, it only works for some, in some cases.  I've seen people do both, but slightly more seem to stay about where they are.  They might do some pretty reset stuff regarding dating and their new sexual role, but the rest of life goes on the same pretty much.

It like the young kid running from confrontation deal.  I've known some pretty headstrong and willfull little children in my day, raised one even.  So not all kids run like that.  And I could never tell him how to dress.  He was mister peer pressure from grade one.

All people are not the same in the same ways.  I don't think all adults grow up, or if they do, they transfer some of that parental power to their new spouse, and so they still live with a lot of that.

[Mister]

Er..humour me....

....please quote the bit that says "it takes years and years to transition" or that refer "anarchic standards of care" because I'm at a loss to find it in the original post...?

...I say again, there was nothing wrong with the original post, or your original response stating your personal opinion of how things went for you as a comparison...

Chrissty



Chrissty

The archaic SOC reference was somethign to the effect of 'real life test begins at this stage.'  This is SOC bullshiz.

years and years- the multitude of stages that clearly take place over a period of time, and since 'real life test' doesn't begin until at least halfway through, this says to me that OP expects transition to take years.

[Just Kate]

I saw nothing implying that working through her listed stages takes years or that a person couldn't jump stages.  It seems to make sense, based on of what I have seen, that most do not begin living FT during what characterizes her first two stages.  They are too busy exploring and trying to find out who they are and where they fit - in a sense, what kind of girl (for MTF) they want to be.