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a question about timing

Started by miniangel, March 21, 2009, 07:16:10 PM

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miniangel

Hello, everyone, and please excuse just a plain woman intruding here, but I'm after some guidance.

I have a Net friend (but that doesn't make him any less of a friend) whom I've known for two years. Last year he came out to me as a "boy in a girl's body". (At present he's reluctant to embrace the transgender idea which accounts for my reticence in saying he's FTM.)

One reason he is unsure about himself is that it was only about ten years ago, when he was in his late teens, that he began to understand what was going on, and it's only recently that he's seriously begun exploring his situation. He's read about others who have "always known" and wonders if he's maybe just kidding himself, dramatising his situation.

I can see his point but at the same time I've heard the unhappiness he feels in not being male, and the way he feels like a fraud for having to be a girl in RL. I'd love to get some of your thoughts.
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Elwood

Not everyone has "always known." A LOT of people lie and say they've always known. Lie to themselves and others. I always felt different, but I didn't always know. It took me until I was 17 to start questioning my identity. I just "pretended" I was a boy before.
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Osiris

You're quite welcome to "invade" m'lady. We're all here to help out each other. ;)

Sometimes it takes people longer to figure out what is wrong. Infact I was also in my late teens when I began to realize what was wrong. We all figure these things out differently, because we're all different. Some people knew when they were 4-years-old exactly who they were and then there are others who don't have it completely figured out until they're 40.

The road to self discovery is a long one, and it's natural to question if you're on the right one. But he needs to make sure not to deny who he is because of what other people have said or done. He's the only one who can tell if transition is right for him, but he needs to find that out by looking within, not at others.

The key for your friend is to embrace who he is no matter what that might be, whether he's a man, woman, androgynous, bi-gender, etc. :P
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Lachlann

Like everyone else has said so far, not everyone is the same. Everyone's story is different and it doesn't make them any less genuine if they aren't cookie cutter.

Some people don't even know what to call it. When I was 4, I felt like I shouldn't have been a girl, I actually cut my hair to make it shorter... I didn't know what to call it, I questioned whether I was a lesbian or not at one point because I like women. And when I was 15 I learned what it was called and I came out. So, not everyone who knew from a young age that they were born in the wrong body is bold and says, "I wanna be a boy!" or whatever. There is sometimes a questioning period, not everyone just blurts it out.

There are people like Elwood and a few others, who didn't realize it until later on. That doesn't make them any less genuine than someone who knew something was off at younger ages, in fact, some people who didn't know at younger ages might start to see the signs once they've come to realize they are transgender, sometimes they don't.

A lot about transition isn't about the hormones or surgeries, a lot of it is finding yourself and who you are. My suggestion to your friend is that he see a therapist to sort out what it really is. Maybe he's transgender, maybe he's not, but the best way to find out is to see a GID(gender identity disorder) therapist. And if he is ftm, he'll probably need to see one anyway to get hormones and surgeries if that's his intent.
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petzjazz

As another poster said, a lot of people had absolutely no idea early in life. A lot of people also lie like rugs about not having any idea early in life, and this is why:
1) Some therapists/doctors will only treat FTMs who swear that they've known their entire lives, refused dresses ever since exiting the womb, stuck socks in their diapers as babies, hung out with only guys since they were 4, dressed in their fathers' suits as 2-year-olds, played war games and pulled girls' ponytails, etc.
2) Some FTMs (and even some cisgendered people) feel that only those FTMs described above are "valid" FTMs.
3) As described in Reason 1 and 2, some people (no matter their natal genders) are just jerks.

As for me? Didn't have a bloody clue. Wore dresses when forced to, played with (aka mutilated) Barbies, STILL have long hair (I can't cut it until after graduation, for various reasons). Didn't even know FTMs existed until about a year and a half ago. Am I "more of a man than you'll ever be, but NOT more of a woman than you'll ever get", to twist a line from everyone's favorite Broadway MTF? Hell yeah.

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sneakersjay

While I always knew, in the sense that as a kid I felt like a boy, wanted to dress like a boy, used boys and men's restrooms when my parents weren't looking, etc, I didn't truly KNOW until last year.  I had no idea what it was called, and my idea of who transsexuals was warped by the media.  I had a lot of educating myself to do.

So it's not unusual at all.


Jay


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Jay

It isn't unsual as most of the guys have said also here.

It takes time to accept ones self.. there is no way you can hurry it along it has to come naturally. Most people go through the doubt stage when they eventually get on the road to transition. But we all find our way to accept ourselves and be happy once and for all.

I hope he sorts out his problems, and decides what he really wants to do!

Jay


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Miniar

I haven't always "know" either.



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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miniangel

Thank you all for your responses. They pretty much confirm what I'd thought already. Testing our feelings and beliefs by throwing doubts at them is a pretty universal thing to do. I have no idea how far my friend will travel with all this but I just want to know he is being true to himself, giving himself a real chance to explore the options. Thanks again.
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pong

I knew there was something wrong eversince but I didn't know what the term was until a couple of years ago and it's only last year that I decided to do something about it.
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Jaimey

Honestly, I just thought I was a tomboy and didn't really understand or explore what was really going on until I was in my 20s, maybe three or four years ago.  It's different for everyone.  :)
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

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Dante

Well, here's my thought. I didn't know until after I had gotten my period, in which case shortly after I realized why I had always thought I was different. I know that even though I didn't know since the day I was born, what I am feeling is real. If it were a phase, I know it would have been over in a few months. But it has been years and no change.

10 years is a long time. I may not know much about your friend, but if he's known that he's not a girl for that long, I think it's time to stop thinking he's lying to himself.





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Sandy

Minnie:

As others have already stated, you don't have to "know" early on.  I didn't know what was going on until I was in my mid-teens.  However from a very early age I knew something wasn't right.  I referred to it as feeling like you have your shoes on the wrong feet, but all over your body.  So, I don't think your friend is dramatizing this.

He should seek counseling if at all possible.  And also, have him sign up here too!  We'd love to hear from him.

Also, Minnie, I commend you on your proper use of his preferred gender pronoun.  It truly means quite a bit to us and your use of it is quite respectful.  Thank you!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Linus

Quote from: minniemouse on March 21, 2009, 07:16:10 PM
Hello, everyone, and please excuse just a plain woman intruding here, but I'm after some guidance.

I have a Net friend (but that doesn't make him any less of a friend) whom I've known for two years. Last year he came out to me as a "boy in a girl's body". (At present he's reluctant to embrace the transgender idea which accounts for my reticence in saying he's FTM.)

One reason he is unsure about himself is that it was only about ten years ago, when he was in his late teens, that he began to understand what was going on, and it's only recently that he's seriously begun exploring his situation. He's read about others who have "always known" and wonders if he's maybe just kidding himself, dramatising his situation.

I can see his point but at the same time I've heard the unhappiness he feels in not being male, and the way he feels like a fraud for having to be a girl in RL. I'd love to get some of your thoughts.

I kinda had a clue but didn't know how to address it until I reached 36. I didn't always know or at least, perhaps a better term, I didn't always know how to vocalize how I felt or interpreted my own gender. He's not dramatizing the situation. I went through phases where I identified as "butch", then a "boi", then transgendered and now, FTM (I acknowledge that this is my path). I don't know if I'll ever say "male" in the end as I embrace my history and recognize where I started from.

Everyone's path is different and none are wrong, IMO. As long as the path he finds, whatever it is, allows him to be happy with himself that is all that should matter. It is a personal and, quite honestly, selfish journey (keep in mind that sometimes selfish isn't a bad thing but a necessary and meaningful thing).

If he wants someone to talk to I'd be happy to. He can find me at my blog (see my profile for that) or email me (PM me for that :) )

- Linus
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kestin

Quote from: Linus on March 25, 2009, 07:07:30 AM
I went through phases where I identified as "butch", then a "boi", then transgendered and now, FTM (I acknowledge that this is my path). I don't know if I'll ever say "male" in the end as I embrace my history and recognize where I started from.

That's exactly how I think :) I personally can't conceive of saying 'I'm male' when I know I was born female, which is something I have no problem with being... I just don't feel correct, in a female body.
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