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The Bombshell Dropped In Prosecutor's Opening Statement At The Angie Zapata Hat

Started by Shana A, April 17, 2009, 07:02:57 AM

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The Bombshell Dropped In Prosecutor's Opening Statement At The Angie Zapata Hate Crime Murder Trial
by: Autumn Sandeen
Fri Apr 17, 2009 at 02:06:49 AM EDT

http://pamshouseblend.com/diary/10483/the-bombshell-dropped-in-prosecutors-opening-statement-at-the-angie-zapata-hate-crime-murder-trial

Today, 8:00AM to 5:00PM-ish MDT, I was in the Weld County, Colorado courtroom where the Angie Zapata Murder. The prosecution dropped a bombshell in the afternoon's opening statements: Jury Hears Opening Statements in Hate Crime TrialThe Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, And Transgender Community Center Of Colorado -- in an understated way -- states the courtroom revelation:

    In opening statements, the prosecution said they will present evidence that shows that Andrade knew that Angie was transgender long before he killed her. 

    Prosecuting attorneys said in the days leading up to the two meeting in person, they had exchanged nearly 700 communications.

    After meeting, the two went to a traffic court hearing in Greeley in which Angie was identified in court by her previous male name and by male pronouns.
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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NicholeW.

This would be H-U-G-E. This would mean that he went to her apartment to spend the night, if he was telling anything like the truth had oral sex performed on him by her and then the next afternoon, with plenty of time to leave the apartment while she was at work, murdered her.

I would think that will kinda seal the deal on any panic. I mean I know people have "delayed-reactions." But, 36 hours? That seems like a long delay for something as fairly innocuous as her being outed in a traffic court hearing. (And I'll presume they'll have witnesses, clerks etc who will testify that such was procedure in such an instance.

Now, if Autumn would edit her stuff before tweeting it in it would surely read better than that last interminable sentence. :)

Nichole
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Lokaeign

I'm in two minds about this.  I mean on one level, GREAT, for all the reasons that others have outlined.  His only defence (trans panic and victim blaming) is now out of the window and he's going down for murder for sure.  Very happy about that.

On the other hand, though, it shouldn't really matter if he knew or not.  I hate the idea that if a woman happens to conceal her trans status from an intimate partner, it's somehow OK or forgivable for her to be beaten to death.  If a guy is intimate with a person who he later discovers is trans and that guy is for some reason not happy with that situation, at most his response should be to leave, go and walk off the aggro or something.  At most.  Trans panic shouldn't ever be a defence.  That is not what "crime of passion" defences are there for.  It shouldn't even be on the table.  It certainly shouldn't be coming out of a defence lawyer's mouth in a court of law.
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NicholeW.

I sure don't disagree about "trans panic" or "gay panic,"  Lokaeign. (Notice how there are not comparable "ftm panic" and "lesbian panic" situations?)

There's something about this so-called "fear" that I don't doubt is there at all; I just don't think it's what is claimed. The fear I think is a "fear" that one has somehow gone somewhere where others will "think" if they find out that I am "gay." I mean this guy's even said "all gay things must die."

Thus, it seems from the git that he has undermined his attorney's arguments with just that. What's this "fear" of gayness? How does that look and feel? And what is it really?

Most guys I know, or have known, mostly, say things like they think that being gay or mtf shows an inherent weakness of not only character and ability, etc but also a physical weakness.

So what the freak is it that they are so scared of since it cannot possibly be a real physical "fear?" Can it? At least they don't talk like it is. They are NOT afraid of gay males or women with transsexing histories until after the other is dead.

That's just totally ridiculous on the face of it. "Well, I saw her body lying there and I was afraid." Yep, no doubt. You were afraid of what? The retribution the state might give you?

OF course Ray the Clown didn't seem to even feel that. I mean there he was driving around in her sister's car and using her sister's credit-card, or attempting to. That doesn't show much fear if you ask me. Instead it indicates to me a callous belief that as long as someone he killed wasn't straight and "really" female that he'd be let off.

I have no doubt that this man was actually surprised and shocked that they'd arrest him for murdering "someone like her."

And that's the saddest part to me. The seemingly very real notion that our lives are not only without value but so valueless that we can be slain with impunity.

I don't get the idea that this judge believes that to be true. But here in Philly we do have one that seems to believe that and made a ruling recently that would tend to confirm that. Here's a summation on the case by Mercedes Allen

That a defendant might try is expected. That a judge might direct a ruling from the bench after hearing the evidence is appalling. But I suspect that in both instances, the perp and the judge, the movtivation is that "fear" and signifying that "I am not gay" in both of those cases.

Nichole
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