Androgynes as transexuals in denial...discussion

[Laurry]

Do some androgynes that were born male want to be pretty and look like a girl? 

Hi Wendy,

Here's one that does...but not all the time.  I also llike to wear a beard and gender-blend a little.  Lately, it's been about 7-8 months girl-ish and 4-5 months guy-ish.

.......Laurry

[Wendy]

Hi Wendy,

Here's one that does...but not all the time.  I also llike to wear a beard and gender-blend a little.  Lately, it's been about 7-8 months girl-ish and 4-5 months guy-ish.

.......Laurry

Laurry, I've removed my beard.  I probably have about 75% gone.  I will remove the rest.  I've taken HRT for 4+ years.  It makes me feel better.  Many females have more hair on their body than I do.  I do not plan on stopping HRT.  My muscle mass is gone.  It is in the range of weak male/ strong female.  I have a receding hairline that remains.  My voice is not trained and is average male.  My undergarments are female.  Some by choice and others by necessity.  I do present male to the world.

I have not found a level of comfort.  I would prefer to do more.  I do not like people making fun of me.  Some uneducated young minority males make fun of me.  It is annoying, rude, and insensitive.

I do not want to go back to where I was and I feel I will be socially rejected if I move forward.  I am trying to sort this out in my mind.

[Eva Marie]

now that's the one sappy chick flick i did like.

I liked it when that person bounced off the propeller and you heard a "clang" sound 

Do some androgynes that were born male want to be pretty and look like a girl?  I live as a guy to the world and my wife gets to see someone not guy.

Sure, I think about the possibilites a lot of time time. But i'm a person thats stuck in a certain life role at the moment and there is not too much I can really do about it. The few feeble (and I thought pretty well hidden) attempts i've made in this area have been noticed and met with a fair amount of dissaproval from various family members..... sigh......

[Pica Pica]

Do some androgynes that were born male want to be pretty and look like a girl? 

I'd like to look like a pretty pica, I even manage it on occasion.

I would quite like to look like a pretty girl, but that would take much more effort and heart-ache than it would be worth - as I only would like to be a pretty girl for aesthetic reasons, not for any deep rooted reason. Though being a pretty pica is deep rooted,  as is being a scruffy pica. Now scruffy-pretty that'd be top notch.

[KYLYKaHYT]

Pretty doesn't get any prettier than scruffy-pretty, IMHO.

[Linda]

Now scruffy-pretty that'd be top notch.

Pretty doesn't get any prettier than scruffy-pretty, IMHO.

As opposed to pretty scruffy?
Now I'm thinking about Leather Tuscadero, (Suzi Quatro), mmm, scruffy pretty.


Seriously though, this is an interesting topic. My gf (who's new here and reading alot), recently asked me to explain what is androgyne. I found it difficult to explain/clarify this to her, even more so than some of the other stuff we have been trying to sort out. I was want to explain it's an identity which is a little bit of both female and male, and at the same time, neither, nor the other.

It makes me wonder,,,

[Wendy]

Seriously though, this is an interesting topic. My gf (who's new here and reading alot), recently asked me to explain what is androgyne. I found it difficult to explain/clarify this to her, even more so than some of the other stuff we have been trying to sort out. I was want to explain it's an identity which is a little bit of both female and male, and at the same time, neither, nor the other.

It makes me wonder,,,

I set up a userid for my wife but she will not come and talk.  She explains to me I am an adrogyne as opposed to me explaining to her what I am.  I know one non-op TS that claims she is 60% female and 40% male according to her therapists.  She does take HRT, removed her beard is retired and passes.  Her wife prefers her as a girl.  She is a nice person and very funny. She had been a CD before she retired.  She seems very happy.

We have to decide what makes us feel better.

[Nicky]

I can understand Wendy why your wife would insist you are an androgyne, it is less scary than the thought the partner she married could actually be a woman. But when it comes down to it the only real opinion that counts is your own. All anyone else can comment on is your presentation.

I think Pica you should so grow your hair and get it cut like Suzi in the above pic in Linda's post.

[Wendy]

Thanks Nicky.  I would prefer to be an androgyne too.  I might be able to continue to mask androgyne.  It's scary if I am not androgyne. Most of the transsexuals I know lost their wives, jobs, and home.  They seem to be happier in their new gender but it is the last option I would chose.  If I shut down again I will try more.  I am playing a game of chess with my own mind.  By the way the gender issues are consuming at least half my energy day and night.

Thanks for your help.  I love talking here but I must try to shift my mind.  It is very helpful to talk.  Much better than arguing with myself all day.  I will try and stay off for a few days.  Thanks again.

[Pica Pica]

A provocative question...what do you guys think?

[RebeccaFog]

Who are you calling 'guys'?   

Actually, I would think we end up on another circular spectrum here. In one place, you have the transsexuals who may be in a kind of denial, or unawareness, and who will be in an androgyne state until they accept or fully realize they must move on into the big end of the pool.

Then there is everyone between the 'possible deniers' and those who may one day accept that they are transsexual but only after a long route of self discovery and possibly changes related to biology and aging. The latter are not denying on any level so much as they are traveling a path of self discovery that will lead them to the TS point.

Should I note that I am not educated in biology on the college level and so should be entirely ignored?

[Pica Pica]

Who are you calling 'guys'?   

I just thought you all looked a bit like this?

And since were guys male? Never in my little world...I was trying to avoid using the words 'peeps' and 'folk'.

Should I note that I am not educated in biology on the college level and so should be entirely ignored?

You should.

[RebeccaFog]

I just baking your cookies. - (a phrase I just made up. I gotta copyright it)

I actually have someone similar to that guy in the picture living in my house. He is incomplete, though.

[Pica Pica]

I recently acquired this little lady for no reason I can muster.

[RebeccaFog]

she's quite lovely. Do you know if she is free this coming Saturday evening?

[Pica Pica]

I've named her Daisy and she is busy this Saturday because Daisy and I are moving house on Monday.
I want another one called Rosie.

[RebeccaFog]

How many times have you moved in the past 3 years?

[Pica Pica]

How many times have you moved in the past 3 years?

5, and I've had 3 jobs - but I think I'm beginning to settle down a bit.

[RebeccaFog]

5, and I've had 3 jobs - but I think I'm beginning to settle down a bit.

I hope so. and you just reminded me I should be looking for work.

[Jav]

I was an androgyne in denial. Till I began coming out as trans 7 years ago.