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Started by Pica Pica, April 27, 2009, 12:44:30 PM

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Pica Pica

This is weegerri, sie's got some ideas about my videos and ideas.

(Part 1 of 2) Re: What An Androgyne Isn't

I thought there was some good stuff, especially about 'fault or feature', i found that really good - that I, especially in my extemporary videos talk about androgyne-ity as a fault of a person, I think that's more a catch of my use of words and sometimes
rather negative approach to myself, but a very fair point indeed, something to watch out for.

I thought the stuff about the word 'androgyne' was cracking a walnut with a car crusher until sie explains why sie doesn't like the way i pronounce androgyne  - and a fair enough point too.

the last bit i have more trouble with mind you.  ::)

what jew think?


Post Merge: April 27, 2009, 04:07:16 PM

My response

Response to weegerri1sm's first androgyne video
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Simone Louise

I think sie has hijacked the word androgyne and excluded us. In that case I don't care how sie pronounces it (though around here gynecology is pronounced with a hard g, and doesn't refer to something needing removal).

Wondering what box refers to me, I stumbled upon the word:

"gynandromorph |gīˈnandrəˌmôrf; jinˈan-|
noun Zoology & Medicine
an abnormal individual, esp. an insect, having some male and some female characteristics."

So I thought, maybe by extension a gynandroid might refer to one whose ID is neither m nor f, though the body or presentation might not be perfectly centered. And gynandroid could be pronounced with hard or soft g.

We seem to be a functioning, vibrant group (pronounced with hard g, not needing to be removed). Weegerri seems to want to define us in a way that divides us into those exactly like hir, and those who don't or shouldn't exist.

As for fault or feature, my sense of what you have said, Pica, is not that androgyny is a fault, but that it can cause problems in social interaction.

Other that the points above, I may agree with the video,
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Mr. Fox

Weegerri loses me at the beginning of that presentation of that argument, using a "transsexual" who lives and presents as their birth sex as an example: you don't think of that as transsexualism, right?  Actually, I do.  There are so many different definitions for various words that good argument (as opposed to arguments cause by confusion) can be difficult.
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Pica Pica

'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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imaz

Sorry all, but I thought WeeGerri talked a lot of sense, and frankly I loved her video. After decades of thinking I was and being diagnosed as TS MTF, I'm beginning to think I'm Androgyne and that's where I want to be...
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Nero

Quote from: imaz on April 27, 2009, 06:49:59 PM
Sorry all, but I thought WeeGerri talked a lot of sense, and frankly I loved her video. After decades of thinking I was and being diagnosed as TS MTF, I'm beginning to think I'm Androgyne and that's where I want to be...

I'm not sure which part you're referencing. All I heard was a big lecture on pronunciation and informing people they look like a man.
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Pica Pica

i liked the video, I just thought that the end was off is all. I just thought it was nice that someone had some video to say about it all.
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Nero

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 27, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
i liked the video, I just thought that the end was off is all. I just thought it was nice that someone had some video to say about it all.

yeah. it would've been better on its own and not served as a breaking down of someone else's video down to the pronunciation.
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imaz

Quote from: Nero on April 27, 2009, 06:55:19 PM
I'm not sure which part you're referencing. All I heard was a big lecture on pronunciation and informing people they look like a man.

No, there was a part two :)

Post Merge: April 27, 2009, 07:11:38 PM

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 27, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
i liked the video, I just thought that the end was off is all. I just thought it was nice that someone had some video to say about it all.

Did you see part two?
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Nero

oh on part two, i couldn't get past the 'please don't take my label away from me'.  :laugh:
but there were some good heart felt gender points and experiences there.
i think somehow sie has misinterpreted Pica as trying to monopolize the word 'androgyne'.
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Shana A

I like much of what sie says in hir videos. Sie brings up an interesting question, for those who don't dress/express androgynous, what does being an androgyne mean?

I can answer this for myself, I not only think of myself internally as an androgyne but I also feel drawn to express myself in an androgynous way. Unfortunately it isn't always possible to do this safely in a binary world and so I don't always appear androgynous as far as my clothing choices.

The only part of the video I didn't get is where sie says Pica looks like a man. I don't see that at all, Pica seems very androgynous in expression and mannerisms.

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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V M

I could be wrong, but I suspect that Weegerri is somewhat attracted to Pica and creating an argument just to make contact. Certain references (ginger hair, etc.) and the invitation to respond lead me to this ideal. It is per typical of a girl trying to get a guys attention.

However, there are several good points brought up. Such as being an androgyne is something felt internally and may or may not be expressed outwardly.

I could be wrong, I could be right....But that's the way I see it  :laugh:
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TooManyToasters

Quote from: Nero on April 27, 2009, 07:16:04 PMi think somehow sie has misinterpreted Pica as trying to monopolize the word 'androgyne'.
That's what I felt while watching that. The whole first half of the video, sie was being a little too dramatic.
Really, though, the pronunciation is sort of a po-tay-to po-tah-to thing.
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V M

Quote from: TooManyToasters on April 27, 2009, 08:48:45 PM
That's what I felt while watching that. The whole first half of the video, sie was being a little too dramatic.
Really, though, the pronunciation is sort of a po-tay-to po-tah-to thing.
That's one thing I picked up on also...The over dramatization of the pronunciation.
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- V M
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Nicky

Quote from: TooManyToasters on April 27, 2009, 08:48:45 PM
Really, though, the pronunciation is sort of a po-tay-to po-tah-to thing.

but everyone knows po-tay-toe is the correct pronounciation...
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V M

Quote from: Nicky on April 27, 2009, 08:55:33 PM
but everyone knows po-tay-toe is the correct pronounciation...
We best not get started with tomatoes then  :laugh:
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KYLYKaHYT

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Pica Pica

I've never met a poTAHto person.

we've actually realised and agreed we were saying the same things from different angles now.
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Shana A

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 28, 2009, 04:42:17 AM
I've never met a poTAHto person.

we've actually realised and agreed we were saying the same things from different angles now.

It seemed that way.

While we're on the subject of pronunciation, do you say the letter i in your name long or short? Pie-ca  or Pick-a?

Z
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Kinkly

Truethfully I've thought that some things in relation to picas vid on what an androgyne isn't do block out what are important astects of some peoples identity.
me I have an Androgyness gender identity I need to express myself in an androgyness way because I am an an androgyne
I know not all androgynes are the same.
maybe the differances are that pica is a pre gendered androgyne (I think sie has used that term) while weegerri is more likely pan or inter -gendered androgyne (only sie can make that choice)
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