Breaking: Angie Zapata's Killer Sentenced To 60 Additional Years

[Shana A]

Breaking: Angie Zapata's Killer Sentenced To 60 Additional Years
by: Autumn Sandeen
Fri May 08, 2009 at 22:23:21 PM EDT

http://pamshouseblend.com/diary/10895/breaking-angie-zapatas-killer-sentenced-to-60-additional-years

Allen Ray Andrade gets 60 years for charges related to Angie Zapata Hate Crime MurderFrom The GLBT Center of Colorado (Denver, Colorado):

    GREELEY - Allen Andrade has been sentenced to life plus 60 years for all counts related to murder of Angie Zapata.

    Judge Marcelo Kopcow on Friday sentenced Andrade, 32, to the maximum 60 consecutive years for the additional charges in the Zapata murder case.

[tekla]

life plus 60 years

OK, this is where all this stuff gets absurd.  So what exactly is a 'hate crime enhancement" worth?  He already got life without parole, meaning he is going to die in jail.  Then what, he spends an extra sixty years there after he dies?  Sixty years tends to be a lot more time then the standard 25 to life that is the penalty for murder.   

[sd]

Since life doesn't actually equal life in all cases... plus the law changes constantly, the additional 60 makes it pretty much impossible for him to ever get out, even if it seems just a formality.

[tekla]

No, its jerking off the justice system for the benefit of a bunch of people who were only part of the spectators.  Life without parole, means he never gets out.  What part of 'never gets out' are you not getting?  Giving an extra sixty years to someone who is going to serve it, only after the first sentence is fullfilled, i.e. he is going to serve those sixty years AFTER he is dead.  Well, that's quite a stiff punishment ain't it?

[Annwyn]

It's worth the slap in the face to his ego, whatever of it is left will soon be taken by the prison populace eager to jump on a man who's orientation is in question.

I would have preferred the chair for Allen.

[DarkLady]

I am against the Capitol punishment even for hate crimes.  And most states use lethal injections not the electric chair anymore.

[Annwyn]

I am against the Capitol punishment even for hate crimes.  And most states use lethal injections not the electric chair anymore.

Sucks, cuz I'd want it to be as inhumane as possible.

Public stoning MIGHT cover what rapists and murderers deserve.  If their heads were removed and placed on display as a deterrent to further seekers of crime after the stoning, that could possibly satisfy justice.

[DarkLady]

I am not commenting. (It seems that some people would want to remove 8th amenment from the constitution of the USA.)

(I have myself been accused of crime that was in the olddays punished by capitol punishment)

[tekla]

We have capitol punishment, as did the colonies at the time of the writing of the Constitution so it has never been seen to prohibit it, just the unequal application of it.  Which might have affected the decision not to seek it in this case.  And, I'm sure he is going to join M-13 (Mexican Mafia) or similar gang in prison.

[DarkLady]

In 1972 the US Suprame court took a stand against the capitol punishment.

[tekla]

Read the decision.  It didn't say that the punishment itself was wrong.  It said it was being unequally applied.

1972, Furman v. Georgia. The court rules the death penalty does not violate the Constitution, but the manner of its application in many states does. The court notes capital punishment was likely to be imposed in a discriminatory way and that blacks were far more likely to be executed than whites. The decision essentially ends the practice of executions.

Some states stopped, others, like Texas, just started executing more white people to cover the difference.

[DarkLady]

In the Europe many countries nowdays prohibit the capitol punishment in their constitutions. Recently NJ repealled it and NM does not anymore sentence people to death in the USA. More states doing the same???

Not so far in the olddays the crime I was accused brought a capitol punishment now I will avoid the prison.

[tekla]

States are free to write the laws as they wish, some states do, others don't and some have gone back and forth on it.

[DarkLady]

The progress leads to elimination of the Capitol punishment in the most state (expect some Southern states?) and in the federal level. Sooner or later. So many innocent people have been sentenced to death. 

[Annwyn]

Is the death of one innocent worth the salvation of many more?

The death penalty is a proven crime deterrent.  Even if you fell into all the lies the liberal media spread, even if you ignored evidence and logic: Andrade still deserves it.

[DarkLady]

It is not lie that for decades in my country pacifists were sentenced to death.
Military use of death penalty makes it civilian use not morally right in any cases.

[Alyx.]

No, its jerking off the justice system for the benefit of a bunch of people who were only part of the spectators.  Life without parole, means he never gets out.  What part of 'never gets out' are you not getting?  Giving an extra sixty years to someone who is going to serve it, only after the first sentence is fullfilled, i.e. he is going to serve those sixty years AFTER he is dead.  Well, that's quite a stiff punishment ain't it?

That's what I've always wondered...

[lisagurl]

It is not lie that for decades in my country pacifists were sentenced to death.
Military use of death penalty makes it civilian use not morally right in any cases.

"cruel and unusual punishments" are determined by culture as is morals. Different cultures have different views according to the common understanding of their peers.  Our courts have juries of peers. Punishment is handed out accordingly.

[DarkLady]

There are some things that have been use by because of pure cruelty and malinese. Things that people should know are right or wrong. As we have seen so much innocent people putting to death by pure cruelty our moral responsibility is to be against the Capitol punishment.

[lisagurl]

No, its jerking off the justice system for the benefit of a bunch of people who were only part of the spectators.  Life without parole, means he never gets out.  What part of 'never gets out' are you not getting?  Giving an extra sixty years to someone who is going to serve it, only after the first sentence is fullfilled, i.e. he is going to serve those sixty years AFTER he is dead.  Well, that's quite a stiff punishment ain't it?

but in fact for a period which varies between jurisdictions: many countries have a maximum possible period of time (usually 7 to 50 years) a prisoner may be incarcerated,

Alaska does not have life without parole
Post Merge: May 09, 2009, 05:01:53 PM

Things that people should know are right or wrong.

That varies depending on culture.