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Ashley315 terminated

Started by Susan, May 12, 2009, 01:12:51 AM

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Vexing

Quote from: TamTam on May 13, 2009, 04:45:32 PM
My criteria is when the words are insults.  Tough love would be something like "Listen, you've been here for a year and we've all said all we can think of to say.  Are you going to listen to us or are you going to keep coming back with the same hardships?  Take our advice, and then if it doesn't work, you can continue."

I don't call that 'Tough Love' at all.
That's more like ambivalent love.
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TamTam

I'm sorry I can't immediately come up with an example of tough love.  How about my examples of what tough love is not?
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tekla

but none of us here can exactly do that, can we?

No, but you sure can work to help keep him out of a program, and often that is done by being nice, and with nothing but the best of intentions.  Turns out, it is cruel to be kind.

Chat, and everyone being all nice, and understanding is perhaps, the last thing this person needed.  I don't know much about eating disorders, but I know way too much about addiction, and I'm sure some of that is very similar, in that the degree of others helping, does not help, it only enables.

I mean it seems to me that these two statements, first by Vexing, and second by Nichole, are pretty close to the same.
Often 'Tough Love' gets results when all the tree hugging in the world turns out to be a big pile of FAIL.
I've worked around and in Critical Care Units for eating disorders and they do not foster, shelter or exacerbate the illness. In point of fact they tend to be rather strict about food intake and coming clean with their clients.

That to do anything about this is hard, and its very much 'not nice' to the people who go through it.  What little I know about addiction is that nothing changes till everything is gone.  Lost job, lost family, no drugs and in jail is where most people get nirvana, not before.

And, when they get to those places that can help them, its a very painful voyage where people are forced to not only see a lot of stuff about themselves that they wished to ignore, but to also confront the damage they have done to themselves and to just about everyone around them.

What's step one?  Admitting you have a problem and that you are powerless to do much about it.  All to often chat offers the exact kind of mollycoddling that Vexing is decrying.  Everyone wants to be supportive, and they don't need support.  They need either professional help, or an undertaker.  Sooner, rather than later, in most cases.  And if you don't get the first, the second will find you.

What chat all too often tends to offer people with problems like this, is sympathy masquerading as support, and its the last thing they need.  They need professional help, and if it ain't you, then the best thing you can do for them is get the hell out of the way.

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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RebeccaFog


I would think that tough love is honesty without insults.

It's okay to be angry with someone. It's okay to be strong and honest, but when you begin reacting out of exasperation, it's time to step back.  But it's a tricky thing sometimes, to catch yourself from going over the line.

This post is not specifically directed at anyone.
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HelenW

I can understand getting frustrated and angry with emoboi.  More than one of us have tried to get through to him and get him to open up to his counselor and he still hangs on to his fear and obsession.  His is a very frustrating situation.

That said, we need to remember not to forget the love when we get tough.  It's very possible to do both at once without causing unnecessary pain.  Our own anger sometimes gets in the way of that and we, as helpers as well as than moderators, need to watch ourselves that we don't allow our own issues to influence our actions.

I'm sorry Ashley has decided to leave the chat staff, she made real contributions there more than once but so be it.  I hope she, as well as emoboi, learn to deal with the issues that lay at the root of this incident and soon put it behind them.
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Jenni

agreed that Ashley had contributed more than once. I don't really agree that this thread is call Ashley terminated. She quite, retired what have you. Granted she's one of my friends so maybe I'm being too sensative about this.
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Jenni on May 14, 2009, 12:33:59 PM
agreed that Ashley had contributed more than once. I don't really agree that this thread is call Ashley terminated. She quite, retired what have you. Granted she's one of my friends so maybe I'm being too sensative about this.

O, Jenni, of course you care more about your friend than you might other people. And, like us all you're gonna be more understanding and give her more leeway in stuff. It's natural and good for you! You have a friend you care about and who cares about you. :)

There have been mod friends of mine who've been suspended in the past and I felt their loss acutely and wished that it had never occurred. There have been times I've been told that some action I took was unwarranted and that I needed to tone it down. It happens.

Once the disagreement becomes public and statements are made like those back on that first page, well, there's not much choice left in the matter, is there?

The mods were reinstated eventually and I stopped making the action that was reprimanded and it's all good for now. Except I do miss a couple of mods who are no longer on site.

There are ways to do things on sites like Susan's. Mods are held to higher standards than members. It doesn't always seem right to us, but it makes oodles of sense. You still have your friend, look at the brighter side of that. :icon_hug:

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Susan

She was suspended after her followup comments on this thread I fired her.
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Nero

Quote from: Ashley315 on May 14, 2009, 11:41:58 PM
I only wish you would take the time to really get to know your staff and members and make them really feel at home and important to you.



She does. You haven't been here that long. And there are a lot of members from different sections to keep track of. She's maybe not the biggest conversationalist, but she does keep track of who everyone is and what's going on with them. This is a second home to many. I wish you would stay and give it another a chance.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Susan

Quote from: Nero on May 15, 2009, 01:02:27 AM
She does. You haven't been here that long. And there are a lot of members from different sections to keep track of. She's maybe not the biggest conversationalist, but she does keep track of who everyone is and what's going on with them. This is a second home to many. I wish you would stay and give it another a chance.

She just lost that right and has been banned from the site totally.
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