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What is your motivational ratio for being trans?

Started by GinaDouglas, May 14, 2009, 05:02:18 PM

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GinaDouglas

I'm going to introduce this topic by comparing it to learning styles.  Science identifies three distinct learning styles (or modalities), which it calls auditory, visual and tactile.  Essentially you learn by listening, seeing, or doing.  Musicians are good auditory learners, writers are good visual learners, dancers are good tactile learners.

It was initially postulated that everyone was one kind of learner or another.  More recently it has been determined that everyone has a diferent ratio of learning abilities.  For example, I am primarily an auditory learner, but am very good at visual learning, and suck at tactile learning.  So I would put my ratio at approximately 55/41/4.

Turning to trans issues, I theorize that there are three transgender modalities.  I identify these three modalities as sex, sexuality and gender.  I have a Master's Degree now, and I have been bouncing this around in my head for years as a possible PhD thesis.

To illustrate the differences, I will state what I would say would be the description of someone who was 100% defined by each modality.

Sex: I want my external body to match what I perceive my innate sex to be.  I want to change my external body to match how I perceive myself.

Sexuality: I want my external body to be the best match for the kind of sexual experiences and sexual partners I want to have.  I want to change my external body so that both myself and my sexual partners will be more comfortable with my body.

Gender: I want my external body to be the best match for the kind of life I want to lead, and life experiences I want to have.  I want to change my external body in order to facilitate living the life I wish to live.

I expect the minority of trans people to be pure examples of any particular modality.  Rather I expect most people to have a ratio, as they have a ratio of learning modalities.

I also suspect that, if you average the ratios, there will be a difference between MtF and FtM, trans people.  I am not saying this is an inherent difference, so much as a function of the fact that natal females have a wider range of appropriate gender role in modern Western society.  By this, I refer to the fact that women have the choice to wear makeup or not, to wear lingerie or not, to dress femininely or not; wheras men really have no options in this regard.  Sissy is much more a pejorative term than tomboy.

For example, I would speculate that a natal female who is attracted to females and wants to adopt a male role sexually, has less motivation to transition than a comparable natal male who is attracted to males and wants to adopt a female sexual role.  So, in this example, I would expect more natal males, who are high in sexuality modality score, to transition than similar natal females.

My purpose in posting here is to gather some initial data.  I'd like to know how you would rate your ratio of the three modalities, and whether you are MtF or FtM.

For example, as a highly feminine natal male who is sexually attracted exclusively to females, and is relatively ambivalent about my genitals (I'd prefer they were other but I don't hate them) - I believe my modality is primarily gender based, with sex second, and sexuality lowest, since my desire to transition is contra-indicated to my sexual preference.  So I'd put my ratio (in the arrangement sex/sexuality/gender) at approximately 35/-20/85.

While there is probably a place in this theory for understanding androgynes, gender-queer, ->-bleeped-<-s, drag queens/kings and cross-dressers, for the sake of simplicity, at this time, I would request that only those who self-identify as transsexual/transgender and have transitioned, are transitioning, intend to transition, or would transition if not for financial reasons, offer answers here.

Additionally, if you want to discuss or dispute my theory; I would ask that you start another thread, and keep this one for answers only.  Feel free to explain your answer in this thread, if you like.  Also, since it may correlate with the ratio data, I'd like to know what state of transition you are in; but that is not a requirement for submitting an answer.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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Sandy

This sounds like a fascinating concept!  I'd be very happy to participate:

I am MTF.

And my modality is: Gender.

More than just about anything was my driving need to be viewed by society as a woman.  Having a sexual experience or having my external genitalia match my innate sex was secondary.  Not that they weren't important.  But Gender was definitely first.

So my ratio I would put as:

75 gender
15 sex
10 sexuality

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Nero

Mine is purely sex and gender with 60 sex/40 gender.

My body is my main problem, with people thinking I'm a woman a close second.
Sexuality has nothing at all to do with my transition. Trust me if it did, I would stay a busty blonde whom both men and woman are attracted to, rather than become a short, dickless guy.

So: 60 sex/0 sexuality/40 gender.

Transition info: I have been on hormones for about 3 weeks and am having surgery in one week, though I came out as trans and have been living as male to the best of my non-passing ability for at least 3 years. I see surgery in a week and changing the gender on my paperwork (after the surgery) as the end of my transition. I plan no other modifications or surgeries.
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Sarah Louise

I transitioned many years ago, I'm 64 now.

75 Sex/5 Sexuality/20 Gender

Sarah L.
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Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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FairyGirl

#4
If the Sex modality = "I want my external body to match what I perceive my innate sex to be", then that is definitely number 1 for me. Second would be that I want to live exclusively as a woman, so that's Gender. I am pretty much bisexual and always have been, so it doesn't matter all that much to me whether I'm with a man or a woman as far as what body parts I have. Therefore, Sex = third.

My ratio Sex/Gender/Sexuality = 100/0/0

Also it seems to me that my Gender modality is actually a result of my Sex modality (i.e., I feel I am a woman, therefore I wish to live as a woman and have those life experiences) much more so than it is simply wanting to change my physical sex in order to live that way, which is what your definition of the Gender modality implies to me (I could be wrong).

Edited to change the ratio after consideration of where all my motivation actually comes from. - FairyGirl
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GinaDouglas

Quote from: FairyGirl on May 14, 2009, 06:07:49 PM
Also it seems to me that my Gender modality is actually a result of my Sex modality (i.e., I feel I am a woman, therefore I wish to live as a woman and have those life experiences) much more so than it is simply wanting to change my physical sex in order to live that way, which is what your definition of the Gender modality implies to me (I could be wrong).

Good point.  I added a second sentence to each modality definition in order to hopefully clarify this.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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DarkLady

Sex and gender are really close to each other. I really cannot say my motivational ratio expect that sexuality is the lowest. Nearly zero.
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Miniar




"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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Lori

I have complete, total, and undeniable Body Dysmorphia. I think/know/feel my male body is disgusting.

I want my body to match my mind. It really has nothing to do with sex. I prefer women. I just want a the body of a female. I want to be pretty, have breasts and I'd love to have hips and a heart shaped ass. I love shoes and I am going to go nuts shopping when this is all said and done.

If I was totally female i could sleep with a man probably but sex is the furthest thing from my mind atm. Not sure how that fits into your PHD.
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Chamillion

Quote from: Nero on May 14, 2009, 05:35:09 PM
Sexuality has nothing at all to do with my transition. Trust me if it did, I would stay a busty blonde whom both men and woman are attracted to, rather than become a short, dickless guy.
Lol, good point Nero

As for me I would put it at 70 sex, 20 gender, 10 sexuality. The most important thing to me is having a body that matches my mind. Gender you described as a more societal thing and how people see you, well strangers already perceive me as male 90% of the time, and I'm still not happy. Being discontent in your own body I think is one of the worst feelings.
Also sexuality does play a small role for me, mostly when thinking about top surgery rather than T though, simply because I hate having to keep my shirt on during sex and my gf hates that its like this too. I think it'll make everything easier once I'm more comfortable in my own skin
;D
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Janet_Girl

I am a woman.  I have a male designed body.

Sex 75
Gender 15
Sexuality 10

I am MtF.  Sexuality is the last thing on my mind.  In order to have the sexual experience I want to have, my body must be total female.  Life experiences will come along the more I am a woman.  Therefore Sex is most important.  It must be altered to conform to my inner visit of my gender.

Janet
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Just Kate

I don't really know what a 0 as compared to a 100 is, so I'll score mine in terms of the other scores I made.

Sex: 75
Sexuality: 50
Gender: 100

Sex: I want my external body to match what I perceive my innate sex to be.  I want to change my external body to match how I perceive myself.

Sexuality: I want my external body to be the best match for the kind of sexual experiences and sexual partners I want to have.  I want to change my external body so that both myself and my sexual partners will be more comfortable with my body.

Gender: I want my external body to be the best match for the kind of life I want to lead, and life experiences I want to have.  I want to change my external body in order to facilitate living the life I wish to live.
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GinaDouglas

Just to be clear, we are apportioning a total of 100 points between the three modalities.  So I would mark interalia's down as 33/22/45.
It's easier to change your sex and gender in Iran, than it is in the United States.  Way easier.

Please read my novel, Dragonfly and the Pack of Three, available on Amazon - and encourage your local library to buy it too! We need realistic portrayals of trans people in literature, for all our sakes
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Hector

I'm a FtM, 25 years old, pre-transition, I plan to start it maybe next year.

My biggest problem is gender. I want people to treat me like a male, this is the first thing that made me discover that I'm a FtM.
Second problem is sexuality, but it's strongly linked to sex. When I have sex with someone I hate him seeing me like a girl. Even if I know that if I'd be a boy I'll have an harder time finding partners :P
Third problem, last but not least, is sex. -.-

So, my gender/sexuality/sex motival ratio is: 45/30/25
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Jamie-o

I'm FtM, 34 years old, been on T for about 3 weeks.  Plan to have top surgery when I can.  Might have lower surgery, but it's not a high priority at this time.

Sex:25
Sexuality:15
Gender:60

For me it's mostly about being recognized and accepted as "one of the boys".  Having those awful sacks of flesh on my chest really bothers me, but as far as what's down below ... *shrugs*, I'd rather have a penis, but I don't hate what I have, and there are times when I can see it as an advantage.  I marked sexuality as low, since I'm attracted to men, and transitioning severely limits my choices.  But, at the same time, I've never been interested in having a straight relationship with a guy.  I've always wanted to be the top in a gay relationship.
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K8

Once I started hormones and living as a woman fulltime, I became pretty much asexual.  That may be because I'm also *blush* 65 years old.  Probably if I was twenty I'd feel that sexuality was more important.  When I was married to a woman, we often thought it was nice to have reciprocal genitals so we fit together, but it really didn't matter to either of us who had what.

For me, I'd rate it 89 gender, 10 sex, and 1 sexuality, but ask me later after I fall in love again. ;)

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Miniar

Think I'll explain my scores further...

I, for "myself" feel it's all about my body. I don't feel right in it and I want to change it to fit me, and so I'd love to set it at 100 sex and nothing for the others, but... the thing is, it bothers me that people see me as a woman. It bothers me to be called her/she and I've felt disgusted every time my body has been the object of heterosexual, male, desire. Even to such a degree that I ended up sitting my then husband to be down for a serious talk about how uncomfortable I was with my chest, my crotch, and the "appreciation" of such parts as they aren't "me". He smiled, giggled a little and explained that what I posessed physically that most got to him was my lower back, legs, and face and so, seeing he's not a chest-man, had no qualms with that even being flattened out..

So,.. I hate being called her.
I hate being "seen" as her.
I hate being treated as her.
So gender is undeniably a factor... even if I don't quite believe in it's existence...

So I'm forced to admit my previously stated scores are right...

sex 80 / sexuality 0 / gender 20



"Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell" - Nietzsche
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Kimberly

Like the shifting sands I have changed over time.

Initially I was basically entirely set for 'sex'; the body being wrong drove and continues to drive me up the wall.
Now that I have 'gender' basically worked out I am inclined to say it is and was important to me.
Initially 'sexuality' meant very little to me, now more so given I am no longer alone.

So, then
85/5/10
Now
80/10/10 or there abouts. (sex/sexuality/gender) I expect strongly that the low gender ratio is due in a large part to my antisocial life style. I do not interact with others that much by choice, ergo what they would treat me as would not seem to matter as much as something I am constantly reminded of (the body) or the occasional (sexuality)

Perhaps this is of some use or amusement.
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Alyssa M.

All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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K8

Quote from: Kimberly on May 15, 2009, 09:14:23 AM
80/10/10 or there abouts. (sex/sexuality/gender) I expect strongly that the low gender ratio is due in a large part to my antisocial life style. I do not interact with others that much by choice, ergo what they would treat me as would not seem to matter as much as something I am constantly reminded of (the body) or the occasional (sexuality)

An interesting point.  I have become very social.  Perhaps that's why I rated gender so high (89). ??? 

(Methinks there is more to this than first meets the eye.  Sounds like the makings of a doctoral thesis perhaps. ;D)

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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