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Started by Shana A, May 21, 2009, 06:43:29 AM

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Hazumu

I have to be ready for the fact that there are those who will not see me as female, but as a crazy man in a skirt.

My retired military ID card has a 2D barcode.  The gender marker in the data is M.  The Department of Defense will not change it.  Their argument is that it must reflect what I was at the time of discharge.

I used it to enter Yokota Air Force Base in Tokyo.  The guard used a hand-computer to read the bar code.  He looked at the screen, then my ID card, then my face, then the screen, then my ID card, then my face, then the screen, then my ID card, then my face then (6 iterations in all)  I knew what he was having trouble with.  I just stood there (wearing a grey business dress, BTW.)  Eventually, he handed me my ID card, and said, "Thank you, ma'am.  Have a good evening.

He thought what ever he wanted to think.  It didn't change the fact I have a female brain stuffed in a male body, and that body has been modified as much as medically and financially reasonable to bring it in alignment with who I really am in my mind. 

At the end of his adventure in Cognitive Dissonance, and whatever he decided for himself to think of me, he gave the correct response.  He addressed me respectfully, and with the proper pronouns, and let me enter the base.

I gain nothing trying to hide the fact I'm a male-bodied woman from others.  Whatever they think if they find out isn't going to change who I know me to be.  I do not live (or die) by what others think of me.  If they don't like me, they can damn well go perform aerial intercourse on a rotating pastry.

Karen
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: lisagurl on May 21, 2009, 07:58:57 PM
I take it that you are not an optimist.

No. I am not.

I think I'm a realist. There is as much of a chance of a positive event occurring as there is of a negative one. There is no chance of heaven on earth
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tekla

There is no chance of heaven on earth

"Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens."  - David Byrne
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: tekla on May 23, 2009, 04:02:29 PM
There is no chance of heaven on earth

"Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens."  - David Byrne

I had that record. Now I have the CD.
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tekla

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NicholeW.

Quote from: tekla on May 23, 2009, 01:07:27 PM

Quote from: Matilda
Transsexualism ends when transition ends.

Then why would anyone need TS rights?

Well tekla, in this case I'd have to agree with the devil's advocate, but suggest that the devil start looking for another advocate if he's gonna ever storm that citadel victoriously.

Transsexualism, like everything else we are aware of in this life, does, indeed, end when transition ends. :) Trouble is, when transition ends individual life as we know it ends as well.

And I'd be willing to bet that Matilda will reply that there is no need for TS or TG rights. Only rights for women and men. Since she prefers one of those two labels rather than others. I would imagine that she also would believe that "rights for women and men" would be a comprehensive way to establish "rights."

I think history shows the lie to that notion.

Nichole
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tekla

Seems to me what is really being argued then is not rights (things common to all) but rather a privilege, which is a private law, that only works for a few.
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lisagurl

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I think I'm a realist. There is as much of a chance of a positive event occurring as there is of a negative one. There is no chance of heaven on earth

Events will happen it is only a subjective judge that determines if they are positive or negative. If you are a realist then you know that you have control of chance or at least the probability. Heaven is a state of mind not a place.
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: lisagurl on May 23, 2009, 05:37:41 PM
Events will happen it is only a subjective judge that determines if they are positive or negative. If you are a realist then you know that you have control of chance or at least the probability. Heaven is a state of mind not a place.

We control very little. Once you've taken your action, the results are out of your hands. Like a baseball for a pitcher.
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lisagurl

Quoteleast the probability

QuoteLike a baseball for a pitcher.


Yes that is why some pitchers get paid a whole lot more than others. They control the pitch better.
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tekla

Sigh, I remember when the Devil picked advocates who were Crazy, Sexy, Cool.  Guess the economic bad times have hit everyone, even the prince of darkness.
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ArleneTgirl

A question for Matilda.  Your posts are intelligent and succinct.  I just wonder why you are posting on a trans forum?
I'm out because I transitioned late in life (assuming my life is more than half over...chronologically speaking).  I'm a business owner, and can't go stealth.  Although my transition began at at my advanced age (now 58), I seem to have adjusted well, and pass quite effortlessly.  I don't advertise, but relish the opportunity to help others and educate those willing to learn.
Of course, it is my choice.  We have no duty to help others.  Or,.......do we????  Hmmmmmmmm
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dyssonance

Ok, sorry, I have to say it.

Woman is a social concept -- outside physiology. Physiology would be female. Woman is gender role, female is sex.

So one cannot be physiologically or anatomically a woman, nor claim such, since the more accurate statement would be to claim female.
Thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunky world, make, each of us, one non-flunky, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Thomas Carlyle)
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Steph

Quote from: dyssonance on May 23, 2009, 11:37:09 PM
Ok, sorry, I have to say it.

Woman is a social concept -- outside physiology. Physiology would be female. Woman is gender role, female is sex.

So one cannot be physiologically or anatomically a woman, nor claim such, since the more accurate statement would be to claim female.

And there you have it...

Still I think we need another term to further define things, yep another label :)  How about transsexualists - those who wish to live their lives as transsexuals.

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ArleneTgirl

Quote from: Matilda on May 24, 2009, 12:26:00 AM


Why? To share my experiences (pre, during, and post-transition, pre-SRS, post-SRS, etc), to teach something (hopefully).  In my experience, I have never had to out myself to teach or educate.  I've always been able to do that without letting others know that I was born transsexual.  It's worked pretty well for me so far, so naturally I plan to keep it up.



Maybe it's worked from your perspective, but it seems a bit "high handed and self serving" to me.  But, that's from the perspective of someone who is out and active.  Not sure how to educate and help from outside the community.  Just doesn't seem creditable.
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ArleneTgirl

Quote from: Matilda on May 24, 2009, 12:40:26 AM
I'm sorry you feel that way.  "Creditable" or not I will keep on doing it as I said. ;)



Lol, you are quick, and I thought so.  We are all entitled to our opinion.  You expressed yours, and I expressed mine.
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tekla

I'll give you yet another label, one taken from the best of classical philosophy - and for those of you who can't read Marcus Aurelius in the Latin, Hannibal Lecter says it in The Silence of the Lambs.

Aurelius would ask of us to view everything in its most simple terms.  (much like the concept of pu' in the Tao Te Ching) and to ask ourselves, much as Hannibal asked Clarice, "What is it in itself?"  What is the most basic nature of the thing?  What is its nature?

And you will find when you look at it that way that 'male' and 'female', 'men' and 'women', 'masculine' and 'femine' are not the nature, they are only attributes.  Secondary charatistics that determine nothing of the nature in and of itself.

That thing, that basic nature, is human.

Being a 'man' or 'woman' does not make one better, or worse.  It's just an attribute, like say the color of paint on a car.  Some cars might look better in yellow, others worse - but a yellow car says nothing about how it is in its nature, i.e. how good a car it is.

Again, as Aurelius continues on: Whatever is in any way beautiful hath its source of beauty in itself, and is complete in itself.  As Nichole tried to point out in another post, most misery is that which we, and we alone, bring upon ourselves.  Its a prison of our own construction, and we are free of it the day we decide to cast aside the bars and get on with it.  If we are to be beauty, we find that beauty not from outside, nor from others praise and worship, but simply sitting within ourselves, where it's been all along.

That you choose one path does not make it right, nor other paths wrong - that will be seen in the end as to what creates harmony and projects beauty.  Guard against thinking that you are somehow better - or worse - for in the end neither matter much given the fullness of time.  Or, as good old MA said: Think of the totality of all Being, and what a mite of it is yours; think of all Time, and the brief fleeting instant of it that is allotted to yourself; think of Destiny, and how puny a part of it you are.

Be happy and beautiful in that, everything else works out in the end. Seek to be superior and all your going to find is the low spots.



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NicholeW.

What a lovely post, tekla. Just beautiful in it's good sense and excellent statement.

And yes, you got to the core of that Telltale Heart.

Self-esteem and self-worth never come through a comparison of one with another, only with "sitting within" one's self and with understanding and being content with one's self in that "totality of all being."

Nichole
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Cindy

I agree with Matilda.

I identify as female. I'm not as far through my journey as her but will be one day. The TG/TS label is, to me, one of convenience. It's a label to seek those with similar expectations. Like the new mothers clubs, stamp collectors (do they still exist?), Breast cancer survivors, Prostate cnace survivors; etc etc. We have a commonality. To my mind it doesn't mean, anything. I don't have the need to run around and say: "Look at me world, I'm a stamp collector" ( damn meant to say transgendered.). I just live, but I'm happy to find a place that people who understand what I'm facing can talk to me, and me to them. That's what I think labels are for.

Have I completely misinterpreted your post?
Wouldn't be the first time :laugh:

Love & Respect
Cindy

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lisagurl

QuoteWoman is a social concept -- outside physiology.

Not in everyone's life. Not in every culture, not in every family.  Society and physical gender vary from person to person. It is a prospective not a law. Not everyone has sex, not everyone gets married , not everyone believes, not everyone works at a job, many people do not like or play expected roles.
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