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Started by ConfusedMichelle, June 03, 2009, 02:21:36 PM

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Mister

Once a year or so I'll find myself housesitting or dogsitting or up all night in a hotel.  I'll watch all the crap without blinking for a couple hours and I'm set for another year or so.  I keep up with a few shows on the web. 
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tekla

As the only person here that I know of who actually makes a living in some form of show biz and who has worked around this for years I thought my advice was pretty spot on.  But if its not clear enough VM I'll try one more time.

$80K in loans = at least a $400 per month payment for like almost forever, to be able to pay $400 a month you have to be bringing about $600 a month.  Will being an actor give you that extra $600 a month, (beyond rent, food, car payments and everything else?) month in and month out?  For most people an extra $400 a month would be a godsend that would have them living in almost luxury, but your going to be sending it to the bank, will that pay off?  What's the going rate for someone who is not a star?  Not much.  If you are not in some major Broadway show (i.e. if you are not in an Equity Show - the live actor's union - which you have to get into, and its not easy) but doing some off-Broadway, or off-off Broadway, or dinner theater will you make enough money to live on it (forget the loans) and the answer is no.  You will have to have a day job and your life will be pretty low end. 

Now, if he were talking about going to a major uni, and like he was saying a year ago, majoring in some finance deal, with a minor in acting - or a dual major, I'd approve.  But he's not.  He's talking about going to a conservatory, and that will train you to do two things, A) Act, and B) work at Starbucks maybe.

Lets get to a few other not so fine points while we're at it.  If you don't want to live in NYC, and I mean in the city proper, or in LA, forget it.  99.9999% of all paying acting jobs originate in those two places, and its a bad choice if you don't want to live there in the same sense that you can't be Joe Surfer living in Kansas there Dorothy.  Back to the money deal, they are - each for some pretty unique reasons - two of the most expensive places to live in the country. And if your not making enough acting your going to be doing a big pile of crap jobs because you need to keep your days free to audition.  Of course, there's always porn, which is why so much porn gets made in LA and NYC right?

His relationship - Fogetaboutit, as they say in NYC.  The reason that actors make such good copy in tabloid newspapers is their history of relationships is about as stable as gas next to a fire.  Between the low pay, the constant rejection, the forced closeness relationships don't last.  Is the BF willing to live in some small dingy studio apt in NY (cost, about a $1000 per month) for four years, and then keep on doing it?  It gets old fast.  To live and thrive in NYC you really, really, have to want to be there.

Or, Brady gets a highly coveted yellow card show.  That's a touring Broadway deal.  Money is OK, but you won't be home for a year, or two.  What will boyfriend do with all that extra time?  Will he wait for years?  Alone?  Worth thinking about. Like I said, there is a reason that relationships don't last in this biz.

If that's not supportive, well, he's not talking about changing his hairstyle, or trying out a new hobby - he's talking about taking out a huge amount in loans that have to be paid even if he never steps in front of a camera or on a stage in his life. And before you make that kind of investment, it would be prudent to try to calculate the potential payback and the other associated costs.

But what would I know?  Other than what I'd tell people who want to join a band, that on any three band night I'm going to make more than the entire first band (opener), more than anyone in the second band (support act) and not even close to what the headliner will make.  Still, one only of three bands makes that.  What are the odds that its going to be your band?
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Radar

Quote from: Mister on June 06, 2009, 02:33:58 AM
Find someone with an art degree who is now working at starbucks and ask them if they'd still choose that major.

Ask someone who does have an art degree and makes a good living from it. We're not all starving artists.

I do have to admit that $80K is alot of money going into a questionable and highly competitive field. Think about it hard.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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ConfusedMichelle

Well this place will definitely get me connections, that's the most awesome part about it.
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tekla

No, the place offers you the opportunity to make connections, you have to make them on your own.  And everyone else there is trying to do the same thing.  Are you extremely outgoing?  Are you good at giving other people what they want, at flattering them, finding their needs an fulfilling them?  Are you willing to do anything short of killing someone to get that role, to have that meeting with that agent, to get the call to that audition - and to keep that up.  People have short memories, and in show biz, they are very, very short.  So you have to keep up with all those connections, they are more likely to recommended someone they remember from last week than from last year.

Are you the very social person, the one who holds the parties, the dinners and all that?

Remember all those other people there want that recommendation, that connection, that meeting and the person is going to recommend one, perhaps two, how do you get to the top of that heap?
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Jaimey

I think you've adequately warned Brady of the hardships in his future.  Perhaps now we should sit back and let Brady make his own decision instead of trying to make him do what we think he should.

Best of luck to you, dear!
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

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GnomeKid

In my opinion you've answered yourself in your own sig.

"No day but today"
truly words to live by. 

Before I make big decisions I always have to think to myself which choice I would regretmore in the future(because as important as it is to forget regret, regret is inevitable.)  If you stay in Texas and go about your life you'll always have wondered what could have happened.  You'll always say "well I had a chance once, but I didn't want to risk it"  If you go, try, and fail I doubt that you'd regret the experience. 
I solemnly swear I am up to no good.

"Oh what a cute little girl, or boy if you grow up and feel thats whats inside you" - Liz Lemon

Happy to be queer!    ;)
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tekla

True that, but I worry when I see very young people take on a huge debt load, particularly in a field where the odd of paying it back, are, at best, a crap shoot.   That's why a dual major deal in college seems a better way to go.  At least there would be something there that could conceivably be able to be bused to make a living for as long as it takes to make it - a day job that will pay the bills, including paying off that loan, because people who give you $80K are not going to forget about it.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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GnomeKid

Quote from: tekla on June 07, 2009, 09:15:54 PM
True that, but I worry when I see very young people take on a huge debt load, particularly in a field where the odd of paying it back, are, at best, a crap shoot.   That's why a dual major deal in college seems a better way to go.  At least there would be something there that could conceivably be able to be bused to make a living for as long as it takes to make it - a day job that will pay the bills, including paying off that loan, because people who give you $80K are not going to forget about it.

truth, as a theatre major myself (tech not acting) I am also majoring in biology so I have more options later on.  If this is your only shot at higher education I'd attend a regular university or find some other way to have a good back up plan before jumping in.
I solemnly swear I am up to no good.

"Oh what a cute little girl, or boy if you grow up and feel thats whats inside you" - Liz Lemon

Happy to be queer!    ;)
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tekla

If you really want to do real theater tech, find a way into the union now, at least start making some connections, getting on overhire lists and all that - in the end, not being in is a huge roadblock.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Mister

Quote from: tekla on June 07, 2009, 09:37:59 PM
If you really want to do real theater tech, find a way into the union now..... not being in is a huge roadblock.

He speaks the truth.  After moving to CA and realizing how locked up the union has things out here, I went back into my intended career path. 
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