The Bathroom Debate - Who's Rights Matter Most?

[Steph]

That just ruled out 95% of the people here then.

Buffy

Hmmm! Now this has me wondering Buffy...  When you say 95 % of the people here are immature, irrational, and irresponsible are you referring to the membership in general or just those who have posted in this topic?  A bunch of BS if you ask me, but I know you didn't Buffy but what the heck debate is always good.

These topics always get resurrected in time. New members join and of course have questions or have different points of view and to tell them that their point of view is irrelevant as the topics have been discussed elsewhere does not foster a good support system.  The same applies to long serving members who feel that their own point of view is relevant.  Does Susan tell them that "You posted your opinions elsewhere, now buzz off"

Look at Proposition 8 in California, now that's going to be a perpetual debate, but still a relevant one.  I'm sure you guys will correct me as I'm not American, but didn't the California courts rule that Gay Marriage was legal but the decision was over turned by a simple majority of the population, thereby deigning the civil rights of a minority.  Endless debate is a good bet on this one.

Which brings me back to the question "Who's rights matter most" I think that most TS tend to overreact.  (I'll only talk on MtF)  Lets face it during transition we need to blend in, be accepted as women we are, not as TS.  TS is a phase, a period of time that we need to complete our journeys.  Yes there are going to be many many hurdles we have to negotiate including the successful navigation of the womens washrooms but it's still a phase.  Granted some have more difficulty than others but none the less once transition is complete the problem disappears.  If transition is done right, the vast majority will not have a problem with the WC.

Personally I don't think that it is right that rules, social norms or whatever be changed to accommodate the few TS out there who with in a couple of years will denying they were ever TS and are now simply women.  Get on with your transition.

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[xsocialworker]

seriously gang, how does one post a pic? I have no clue.

[V M]

seriously gang, how does one post a pic? I have no clue.

Photobucket

[Steph]

seriously gang, how does one post a pic? I have no clue.

Huh?  Seriously gang what the heck does this have to do with this topic?  I'm sure it's posted else where in the forums

Oh what the heck:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,11002.0.html

It's a starting point.

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Post Merge: June 23, 2009, 09:36:20 PM

It's not you that has to understand.

It's the rest of the world that has to grow up!

Yep using "Going Potty" Yep, who has to do the growing up again?  Oh yes... the rest of the world.

I've been to a couple of gay/lesbian gala events and the restrooms were non-gendered.  Boys and girls together in the same room at the same time going potty.

A very safe environment.

The boys, if they were of a mind stood at the urinal.  I mean come on, they had their backs to the world!  Everyone else used the stalls.  A guy went into the stall next to me.  BFD...  We came out at the same time and smiled at each other.

It was considered polite do "adjust" yourself or straighten your dress privately.

I guess this guideline was posted on the walls "NOTICE - While you may urinate and defecate in front of each other we request that you adjust your dress privately"

Oddly, I felt completely unthreatened.

And if you ever watched BSG you'll know that the bathrooms on a battle star were non-gendered.

Oddly, BSG is science fiction, not real.

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[Kara]

Of course pitchers in the American League wear skirts cause they can throw at people without the fear of ever coming to bat themselves. American league pitchers are allowed to use the female bathroom in National League stadiums.

[Buffy]

Hmmm! Now this has me wondering Buffy...  When you say 95 % of the people here are immature, irrational, and irresponsible are you referring to the membership in general or just those who have posted in this topic?  A bunch of BS if you ask me, but I know you didn't Buffy but what the heck debate is always good.
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Well I never said anyone was immature, irrational and irresponsible, I was refering to the fact that on a forum full of people pumping themselves with hormones, trans activists and a community that generally feels isolated and stigmatized by society, it is fairly difficult to have a mature, rational debate about who should be allowed to use bathrooms.

It's kind of like asking Turkeys to vote on abolishing Christmas or July the 4th in the US.

Buffy

[Kara]

Well I never said anyone was immature, irrational and irresponsible, I was refering to the fact that on a forum full of people pumping themselves with hormones, trans activists and a community that generally feels isolated and stigmatized by society, it is fairly difficult to have a mature, rational debate about who should be allowed to use bathrooms.

It's kind of like asking Turkeys to vote on abolishing Christmas or July the 4th in the US.

Buffy

Would Turkeys really have such trouble abolishing Christmas? Well, at least we don't allow pigs to decide everything.

[tekla]

Turkeys would get rid of Thanksgiving in a New York second however.

[NicholeW.]

Well I never said anyone was immature, irrational and irresponsible, I was refering to the fact that on a forum full of people pumping themselves with hormones, trans activists and a community that generally feels isolated and stigmatized by society, it is fairly difficult to have a mature, rational debate about who should be allowed to use bathrooms.

I have to admit that until that hormonal balance got adjusted some time ago I was of the opinion that no one should ever be allowed to use a bathroom! Nasty habit!! Worse than tobacco!

[V M]

Virginia is smokin' a Cuban cigar and peeing in her own potty 

[xsocialworker]

Huh?  Seriously gang what the heck does this have to do with this topic?  I'm sure it's posted else where in the forums

Oh what the heck:   SOME OF YOU HAVE USED THIS THREAD TO QUESTION IF I AM AFRAID TO POST A PIC

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,11002.0.html

It's a starting point.

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Post Merge: June 23, 2009, 08:36:20 PM
Yep using "Going Potty" Yep, who has to do the growing up again?  Oh yes... the rest of the world.

A very safe environment.

I guess this guideline was posted on the walls "NOTICE - While you may urinate and defecate in front of each other we request that you adjust your dress privately"

Oddly, BSG is science fiction, not real.

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Post Merge: June 24, 2009, 08:49:35 AM
1) This is me (if you trust me)
2) Got to go the bathroom

[Sandy]

I guess this guideline was posted on the walls "NOTICE - While you may urinate and defecate in front of each other we request that you adjust your dress privately"
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Yeah, the same way they post notices on the wall about how to use a urinal... *ds*

-Sandy

[TamTam]

Okay guys, seriously?  Remember we are a support site, people shouldn't be pressured to post things they don't want to post.

[NicholeW.]

Okay guys, seriously?  Remember we are a support site, people shouldn't be pressured to post things they don't want to post.

I agree, Tam Tam, but perhaps, given the avatar, XSW was asking to be thrown into the briarpatch! Nice piccie, XSW.

Ummmm, I'd have to say given the circumstances that I suppose you weren't just blowing smoke about "passing perfectly."

If you felt forced, please feel free to let Tam or me know and we can take some sorta staff action. Very nice.

[Steph]

 
Post Merge: June 24, 2009, 06:49:35 AM
1) This is me (if you trust me)
2) Got to go the bathroom

Why on earth would I not trust you?  There are many reasons why people don't post pictures of them
self here, very legitimate reasons, I don't have a pic posted myself, but you probably noticed that.  (Nice pic BTW)

Oh and enjoy your visit to the bathroom, I hope you got everything "Worked Out" so to speak   Now the question that has to be asked is - Do you wipe from front to back or back to front?  But that would be the subject of another topic.

And for Sandy what's *ds* ?

-=LR}=-

[xsocialworker]

There is nothing mysterious about this. I had to find a pic which I took off a website of a support group that I used to run locally. I didn't know I could move it elsewhere until I right clicked on it.
Post Merge: June 24, 2009, 10:09:11 AM
1) I'm retired.
2) Just don't photoshop my face on a transformer

[Annwyn]

Lawlz, I win.

Nice pic there XSW.

[tekla]

Lawlz, I win.

We're sending you your prize by pony express.

[Annwyn]

Lawlz, I win.

We're sending you your prize by pony express.

Weren't they by your place just last week?

Everyone learned a good lesson.  The Pony Express doesn't handle fragile packages such as glass products very well.

[tekla]

Oddly enough I go past the western terminus of the pony express once a week or so.  No horsies though, they only ran to Sacramento, after that it was put on a boat.