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probiotics and vaginal health

Started by gothique11, June 12, 2009, 07:37:13 PM

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gothique11

I just wanted to start this topic because I believe it's extremely important for post-op girls! Get probiotics!

I went for months getting UI infections, yeast infections, colds, and just generally being sick all of the time. I kept going on the anti-biotics, and then the yeast infection drugs... it ended up being an endless cycle. And, with UI infections, I found that my urinary tract took a long time to heal and I'd get urine leaks. I'd also find with the yeast infections (or, what I like to call -- welcome to womanhood infections. LOL) there would be some discharge.

My doctor told me to eat yogurt, and I tried -- but, then medications, infections, etc, the cycle was pretty bad. Yougurt helped somewhat, but didn't seem to have enough power. I'd also try to drink cranberry juice, which got expensive to always buy and drink.

I asked my pharmacist about what I could do, 'cause I just couldn't keep up with the onslaught of infections and keeping them at bay. She suggested taking a womens probiotic. She pointed me out to one that had 5 times the amount of probiotics in it than a cup of yogurt, and it had several strains that helped with vaginal health and UI health. It also contained cranberry extract, which also helps with the unitary track. So, I picked up the bottle for about $10 bucks, and it lasts for about a month.

I noticed a difference in a few days, and then it got better and better form then on in. I haven't gotten any infections at all and I haven't leaked a drop of urine (that is very embarrassing in public when that happens, or when you have to go to the store and look at bit thick protective pads).

My vaginal health improved greatly. No yeast infections, it doesn't get strange odours from bad bacteria trying to run the place -- it's great!

I also found that with it being much healthier down there, there's been some extra healing. It look better down there, actually. I've even found dilation to be much more easier and comfortable (no pain or soreness after!). I also self-lube a whole lot better.

My over all immune system has gotten better, actually. I'm not constantly fighting a cold like usual, which is great! It's nice not to fell sick and drained all of the time.

Anyway, I thought I would mention this. Even if things are going good down there, it doesn't help to have your probiotics, it great for your vaginal and urinary tract. Eat yogurt. And cranberry and blue berry juice are supposed to also work as a preventative. There's lot of good probiotic pills out there that work well, and they can give your body a much needed boost, especially with after having surgery and 2-3 months after your vaginal flora is starting to get established.

Now, before someone decides that they know me and say that maybe I just didn't "clean" enough down there -- I did. I took good care of myself. I cleaned all of the time, actually. But, cleaning isn't always enough (and sometimes too much cleaning can actually cause problems).

In fact, you need the good bacteria. That's what I learned in all of this, and the good bacteria is really important. I had other post-ops tell me to just keep cleaning my self like crazy, and to douche like crazy -- while, cleaning yourself is a good thing, and recommended, over doing wash way too much of our protective and beneficial flora (good bacteria). Douching you should only do when your doctor says. Right after surgery, yes, and up to the point that your surgeon recommends. After that, you only go by what your doctor says. For me, who's now a year post-op, douching isn't recommended unless my doctor said to do it.

Anti-biotics also upset the balance down there. This year I was on anti-biotics 4 times! Every month from Jan-April. The doctors only gave it to me when things got very bad, and they got bad enough for me to be on anti-biotics. Sometimes it as an infection down under, and sometimes it was a chest infection, or other infections. At the end of it, my vagina and intestinal flora was messed up, and I just kept getting into the cycle of infection that would affect my entire body and make it easy for me to catch another bug.

Once I started taking the probiotics, my stomach felt better. I didn't get bloated like I used to. And, I actually lost weight! No colds, no infections anywhere. I feel better. It's amazing!

This also helps 'cause I've been having nerve issues (not related to good bacteria) and those nerve issues on top of being sick really made my life miserable. But, now I feel better with a better immune system and also nerve medication that helps treat that area.

And, I can't tell you how great it feels to wear panties without always having to wear a pad, having ebarassing moments in public, and so on. The doctors at first just kept telling me to do kegel exercises (which are good, also, try to do them), but ignored the urinary and vaginal flora part. I would exercise those kegels like crazy, only to have minor results and disappointment. Once I started the probiotics, with in a week no problems. No pads. No having to go into the adult diper part of the store! I was so depressed with the leaking issue going on and off, and having my doctor with no real solutions, I was almost to the point of self-extinction. I felt completely lost and my self-esteem dropped. But, now it's gone and life has opened up again!

Anyway, that's my promotion for pro-biotics. Get them. If your post-op, women's probiotics with cranberry extract are amazing! Yogurt is great, but if your body is over welmed with bad bacteria, yogurt doesn't have enough to give you the boost you need sometimes. The probiotic pills can really make a difference in the balance of good vs bad bacteria. My pills hve 5 billion active cells (5 different strains), and at the start, I took it 3 times a day. that's 15 billion active cells a day. 100 g of yougurt has maybe (depending on the brand) 1 billion. So, you'd have to take 1500g (1.5 L -- I think that's about 52 ounces of yogurt a day.. I don't know how to convert Canadian to US measurements very well). Anyway, that equals about 3 tubs of yougurt a day! In individual servings (those little cups you use for lunch) it equals ab out 15 cups a day. Or, you can take 1 pill 3 times a day. After the good bacteria is established, however, I find that you can cut back to two and then 1 pill a day for maintenance.

Anyway, good stuff. Sorry for the long post!
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Nero

QuoteI had other post-ops tell me to just keep cleaning my self like crazy, and to douche like crazy -- while, cleaning yourself is a good thing, and recommended, over doing wash way too much of our protective and beneficial flora (good bacteria). Douching you should only do when your doctor says

yeah, I'm not sure of the mechanics for post-ops, but those with natal vaginas are warned not to douche at all. and you're right not to overwash. too much soap can even irritate. careful with the bubble baths!  :laugh:
I end up just rinsing the whole thing with a showerhead with plain water and no soap a couple times a day. course the morning, I use soap when I wash the rest the body.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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lisagurl

Instead of bubble baths salt soaks can take the place of soap.
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Janet_Girl

The only time my ex douched was after her period.  She is very anal retentive about being clean, and only used soap twice a week.   She also slept without panties.

Just my two cents.

Janet
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Audrey

hey nat thanks alot for the info.  Its advice like that which helps us new girls out.  As soon as I get back from montreal Im going to get some of that.  I also have really dry/excema skin and I heard somewhere along the line that probiotics helps with that too, just never got around to trying it.  I bet it also helps keep you pretty regular.

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gothique11

Yeah, it's good stuff! Even just yogurt every day helps. The pills just give a much needed boost, although. And, the ones with cranberry extract are excellent for preventing bladder and urinary tract infections (or, drink cranberry juice every day. I hear blueberry also helps).

Also, as janet mentioned -- go to bed naked! Honestly, you're vagina needs to breathe! Dr. Brassard told me that one, actually, and I've heard it repeated by many women since. If you wear panties, try to keep to breathable cotton as much as possible. If you notice on nylons there's (usually) a breathable patch for the crotch -- it's there for a reason.
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vanna

Darn it
what would be a Vegan alternative?
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Anonymouse

To be hounest my advice would be to leave well alone. Its been a couple of years now since my surgery and after the first few months I stopped worrying too much about hygene unless my girlfriend was going down there. I've not had any water infections, incidences of bv or any other problemsand most of the time your body will look after its self.

The only real time I would consider  probiotics is if I hadto go onto antibiotics sometime but I'm guessing a sample on a finger or shared toy from my girlfriend would work just as well.

Ann
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Audrey

lol unless she has vd.  sorry i dont mean like her personally.
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gothique11

Quote from: Anonymouse on June 19, 2009, 04:15:49 PM
To be hounest my advice would be to leave well alone. Its been a couple of years now since my surgery and after the first few months I stopped worrying too much about hygene unless my girlfriend was going down there. I've not had any water infections, incidences of bv or any other problemsand most of the time your body will look after its self.

The only real time I would consider  probiotics is if I hadto go onto antibiotics sometime but I'm guessing a sample on a finger or shared toy from my girlfriend would work just as well.

Ann

In my case, I've been on anti-bioitics a lot. Not including surgery (a year ago), about 8 times. I haven't been on since, or needed too, since I've been on pro-bioitics.



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Quote from: Ms Delgado on June 19, 2009, 04:06:05 AM
Darn it
what would be a Vegan alternative?

well, you can ask your local pharmacy or vitamin store to see if there are Vegan Alternatives -- I'm pretty sure that there are. You can even buy vegan yogurt.

Not everyone needs probiotics, although they can help. You can also ask your doctor about it, too. There's also pro-biotic soy yogurt out there, which is vegan friendly.

The average healthy person might not need to have the pills, and simply eating a healthy diet can help which can include yogurt (so a soy or plant-based yogurt).

In my case, with the cycle of constant infections since surgery, constantly getting to the point of being back in and out of the hosptial with infections (I wasn't being given anti-biotics lightly or just for fun, it got serious enough that either I took them, or I got sicker and risked my life). The cycle of anti-biotics, of course, messed up the good bacteria inside of me.

Others, who aren't in my situation might not need the pills, ever, although after pro-antibiotics many doctors would way that pro-biotics can help restore your good/bad bacteria balance which is in everyone's body.

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Purple Pimp

Great thread.

I have also had several instances of BV in the past year, and probiotics have helped immensely.  There's a product called "Femdophilus" that you can buy online or at Whole Foods (in the refrigerated medicine section, since Femdophilus is considered molecularly "unstable" and needs to be kept cold) that's got 2 strands of probiotics that are proven to help with BV.  Antibiotics are often prescribed for BV, but once you've killed all of the bacteria in your vagina, what's going to replace it?  The right probiotics do a good job at repopulating the vagina with good bacteria, so I'd definitely recommend it for those having BV issues.

Lia
First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you would do. -- Epictetus
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