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Obama Justice Dept. Backs DOMA

Started by Michelle., June 13, 2009, 04:16:37 PM

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Michelle.

A complex story, best to read the entire article. The initial support of DOMA is a "parlimentary" procedure. Gay rights groups though are attempting to hold Obama to his campaign trail promises to introduce legislation to overturn the DOMA.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hVLXVV6bmG_wjIN5b_AzLQvPaKiwD98PFONG2

My take on this. By the time Obama has failed on health-care reform, he'll have little to no political capital left to expend on GLBT issues. In addition Congress will be gearing up for the mid-term election cycle.
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DarkLady

So you really want pro-GLBT republican like Sarah Palin, Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney to run the administration. You are really naive in case you think that the religious right would not make all GLBT-people in the USA (including you) more opressed.
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Michelle.

The political culture and workings in America are far more complex than your terse little reply.

Besides of the four Republicans you mentioned none will be the party stanard bearer in 2012. Also keep in mind at least one, if not two, are social moderates. Jeb didn't win 2x in FL by way of a far right stance on social issues. Romney before his run in '08 was elected Gov. in Mass. Huckabee is way to liberal on fiscal issues to win the nomination.

Finally, why are you overseas liberals so fixated on Palin? Same question for American progessieves.

BTW, DarkLady... please take any reply you have to the following thread I started awhile back...

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,60773.0.html
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lisagurl

Non gays have rights too. One person's rights stop where the next person's starts. I would not like to see any group have special rights.  It needs to be through social agreement that people are accepted not through law.
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DarkLady

All those four Republican politicians are very conservative in social issues or ''far right''. Of course what is very conservative is opion question and in case people only watch Murdoch's media it makes it own contributions. And I believe that somebody here may soon explain how great the GOP politician who shall be not mentioned was.
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Michelle.

Quote from: lisagurl on June 13, 2009, 06:37:25 PM
Non gays have rights too. One person's rights stop where the next person's starts. I would not like to see any group have special rights.  It needs to be through social agreement that people are accepted not through law.

You go girl, sounds like something REAGAN would say.
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DarkLady

You were wrong again. I was not implying to former president Reagan.
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Kaelin

DarkLady, I believe michelle was addressing lisagirl with the quote.

Granting "special rights" to a group is generally less accurate that granting "protections" across an individual characteristic.  A non-discrimination policy to protect TGs is born out of a necessity concerning those with non-conforming gender identity or gender expression, but it protects atypical and typical people alike.  Granting the option of same-sex marriage isn't about giving rights to an exclusive group -- it is about the state treating relationships without regard to the sexes of the two individuals involved.  It's a policy of the government not showing preference for a status, and protecting individuals regardless of their status.  If there was a person targetting violence against Christians, White people, or men, I'd want that person charged with a hate crime just like a person targetting violence against Muslims/Agnostics/Buddhists, Black/Hispanic/etc, or women/androgynes.  There's no special rights involved here -- it's just that the former group doesn't get targetted all that often, because the people who might otherwise be tempted to do so are generally more concerned with self-preservation at the moment.

As for the topic at hand, well, it's annoying (rationing of political capital), and I will leave it at that.
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lisagurl

Quoteknown informally as DOMA — is constitutional and contended that awarding federal marriage benefits to gays would infringe on the rights of taxpayers in the 30 states that specifically prohibit same-sex marriages.

The federal Government works on votes. It would take more than 25 states to approve gay unions for federal tax savings. It is a dumb administration that fights a lost battle. Better to wait till the votes exceed 25 states.
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