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Why are there are no female counterparts to the eunuch or hijra?

Started by Nero, July 24, 2009, 06:31:24 PM

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Nero

Quote from: Leslie Ann on August 16, 2009, 07:21:10 PM
Depends on which female circ. people are referring to.
Some say it is removing the hood, some say it is removing the clit.

Neither removes sex drive or hormones like castrating a man does and neither aids a man's enjoyment.

female circumcision type 3 sews the hole up tight for his pleasure.
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Nero

interesting. sounds pretty close to the hijras except for the genital alterations of course. thanks for teh article, Susan.  :)
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Cindy

How incredible.

I was more taken a back that the blood feud still had to be finished, or has it? Now there a 15 yr old's life to avenge.

Is this TG or culture or both? I'm suspecting it is culture but in a harsh environment. I posted many moons ago that only the the wealthy (how to define) have the ability to pursue activities as TG or whatever; the less wealthy are trying to eat and drink. Live another day is more important than living a lie.

Thanks Susan,
Interesting article, I do remember driving through parts of, then, Yugoslavia 35 years ago. The poverty was mindnumbing. I was seated in a coach and looking at a real person; thinking she is Hollywood's version of a serf/peasant and she was in front of me. So so so sad.

Cindy
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Jamie-o

Yes!  That's exactly the article I was talking about!  Glad you had the link, Susan.  :)
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Shana A

"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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deviousxen

Quote from: Leslie Ann on July 28, 2009, 03:24:39 AM
They are called sissys and are usually beat up by the boys.

Post Merge: July 28, 2009, 03:32:52 AM
Yes and a few, including myself, also wonder about Calamity Jane.

How was Joan TG? I'm just curious cause that would be fascinating.
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tekla

When you hear voices in your head telling you to kill people, as Joan claimed to, you have more in common with David Richard Berkowitz (The Son of Sam killer who claimed the dogs next door told him to kill people) than anyone with gender issues. Though its all but impossible to say as we know full well that both sides - the French and the English - were lying their asses off about her.
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sd

Quote from: Susan on August 18, 2009, 04:27:37 AM
Actually Nero there are, but things like this are generally not broadcast...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/world/europe/23iht-virgins.4.13927949.html
There was a documentary about this well.
History Channel's Taboo show possibly.

Post Merge: August 18, 2009, 05:21:11 PM

Quote from: Kara-Xen on August 18, 2009, 11:08:32 AM
How was Joan TG? I'm just curious cause that would be fascinating.
Her life wasn't exactly that of a typical woman at the time.

There is nothing specific, just certain things.The Wikipedia article paints her as being much more normal than she was, compared to other accounts of her life.
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tekla

Yeah, and move to Albania and you'll find out pretty fast there are worse things than GID.
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YoungSoulRebel

Quote from: tekla on August 18, 2009, 11:51:18 AM
When you hear voices in your head telling you to kill people, as Joan claimed to, you have more in common with David Richard Berkowitz (The Son of Sam killer who claimed the dogs next door told him to kill people) than anyone with gender issues.
No offence, but I think that there's a HUGE difference between a soldier and a serial killer.


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cynthialee

Quote from: Jamie-o on August 16, 2009, 05:25:59 AM
I wish I could find the reference, but I was reading a while back about a tradition somewhere in the Middle East (I think.  Or it might be the Romanian tradition that Beth-chella mentioned) that allowed women to take on the role of a man, so long as she swore to remain a virgin for the rest of her life.  In exchange she was granted all the rights of men, dressed as a man, was referred to as a man, etc.  It was usually something that the eldest virgin daughter would do if her father died and there were no male relatives who could take over the family.  Because women were not allowed to work the whole family would starve unless one of the daughters became a "perpetual virgin", got a job, and supported them.

As I say, I can't find it anymore, but there was an article about one of the last remaining "Virgins", who had sworn the oath in the '20s or 30's and had lived as a man ever since.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sworn_virgin Look here,

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If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
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Abby

Quote from: Nero on August 16, 2009, 09:22:45 PM
female circumcision[size=9][/size] type 3 sews the hole up tight for his pleasure.

eww gross.  The word should be banned.
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Dryad

Quote from: YoungSoulRebel on October 23, 2009, 12:18:36 AM
No offence, but I think that there's a HUGE difference between a soldier and a serial killer.
Well; you're right. There is a huge difference.
However, Jeanne D'Arc was probably both. Remember; God told her to do all those things... Now; in my book, that's insanity. Also, God told her to do rather horrific things, as well.
Like it or not, but the chance is there that she was just another traumatized foam-mouther. Not much of a saint, really.
I admire her for her courage, for standing up, and proving a woman's worth in the field. However, I'm still of mind that, besides that, she had rather lost it.

A..nyway. Female Eunuchs wouldn't really work.. See; Eunuchs typically had their testicles removed. While that could be done pretty safely, in ancient days, removing the female counterparts, ovaries, would be a lot more troublesome, and, in most ancient cultures, definitely fatal. (Mainly because they hadn't a clue on what bit was what.)
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tekla

No offence, but I think that there's a HUGE difference between a soldier and a serial killer.

Your not really going down that road are you?  Never heard of like "war crimes trials"?  OK, on the odd case that you have not read real history let me give you some fine examples of soldiers as serial killers.

Lets start with the obvious
    * Germany:
          o Bergen-Belsen
          o Börgermoor
          o Buchenwald ( 174 subcamps and external kommandos)
          o Dachau (123 subcamps and external kommandos)
          o Dieburg
          o Esterwegen
          o Flossenburg (94 subcamps and external kommandos)
          o Gundelsheim
          o Neuengamme (96 subcamps and external kommandos)
          o Papenburg
          o Ravensbruck
          o Sachsenhausen
          o Sachsenburg
    * Austria:
          o Mauthausen (49 subcamps and external kommandos)
    * Belgium:
          o Breendonck
    * Czechoslovakia:
          o Theresienstadt
    * Estonia:
          o Klooga
          o Vivara
    * Finland:
          o Kangasjarvi
          o Koveri
    * France:
          o Argeles
          o Brens
          o Drancy
          o Gurs
          o Les Milles
          o Le Vernet
          o Natzweiler-Struthof (70 camps satellites et kommandos)
          o Noé
          o Récébédou
          o Rieucros
          o Rivesaltes
          o Suresnes
          o Thill
               
            Work camps created by the Government of Vichy in Maroco and Algeria. Thousands of Jews were sent to these camps by the French pro-nazi government of Petain:
          o Abadla
          o Ain el Ourak
          o Bechar
          o Berguent
          o Bogari
          o Bouarfa
          o Djelfa
          o Kenadsa
          o Meridja
          o Missour
          o Tendrara
    * Great Britain (*Note: Alderney in the Channel Islands was the only place in the British Isles where German concentration camps were established. In January 1942, the occupying German forces established four camps, called Helgoland, Norderney, Borkum and Sylt.)
          o Aurigny
    * Holland:
          o Amersfoort
          o Ommen
          o Vught
                + Arnhem
                + Breda
                + Eindhoven
                + Gilze-Rijen
                + 's Gravenhage (The Hague)
                + Haaren par Tilburg
                + Leeuwarden
                + Moerdijk
                + Rozendaal
                + Sint Michielsgestel
                + Valkenburg par Leiden
                + Venlo (Luftwaffe airfield)
          o Westerbork (transit camp)
    * Italy:
          o Bolzano
          o Fossoli
          o Risiera di San Sabba
    * Latvia:
          o Riga
          o Riga-Kaiserwald
          o Dundaga
          o Eleje-Meitenes
          o Jungfernhof
          o Lenta
          o Spilwe
    * Lithuania:
          o Kaunas
          o Aleksotaskowno
          o Palemonas
          o Pravieniskès
          o Volary
    * Norway:
          o Baerum
          o Berg
          o Bredtvet
          o Falstadt
          o Tromsdalen
          o Ulven
    * Poland:
          o Auschwitz-Birkenau - Oswiecim-Brzezinka (extermination camp - 51 subcamps and external kommandos)
          o Belzec (extermination camp - 1 subcamp)
          o Bierznow
          o Biesiadka
          o Dzierzazna & Litzmannstadt (These two camps were "Jugenverwahrlage", children camps. Hundreds of children and teenagers considered as not good enough to be "Germanized" were transfered to these places - see our article about the The "Lebensborn " — and later sent to the extermination canters)
          o Gross-Rosen - Rogoznica (77 subcamps and external kommandos)
          o Huta-Komarowska
          o Janowska
          o Krakow
          o Kulmhof - Chelmno (extermination camp - no sub-camp known)
          o Lublin (prison - no subcamp known)
          o Lwow (Lemberg)
                + Czwartaki
                + Lemberg
          o Maidanek (extermination camp - 3 subcamps)
          o Mielec
          o Pawiak (prison - no subcamp known)
          o Plaszow (work camp but became later subcamp of Maidanek)
          o Poniatowa
          o Pustkow (work camp - no subcamp known)
          o Radogosz (prison - no subcamp known)
          o Radom
          o Schmolz
          o Schokken
          o Sobibor (extermination camp - no subcamp known)
          o Stutthof - Sztutowo (40 subcamps and external kommandos)
          o Treblinka (extermination camp - no subcamp known)
          o Wieliczka
          o Zabiwoko (work camp - no subcamp known)
          o Zakopane
    * Russia: (The real number of concentration and extermination camps established in occupied Soviet Union by the Nazies is unknown. The following list contains the name of the major camps. Some of these camps were under Romanian control; e.g. Akmétchetka or Bogdanovka where 54,000 were executed between December 21th and December 31th, 1941)
          o Akmétchetka
          o Balanowka
          o Bar
          o Bisjumujsje
          o Bogdanovka
          o "Citadelle" (The real name of this camp is unknown. The camp was located near Lvov. Thousands of Russians POW were killed in this camp)
          o Czwartaki
          o Daugavpils
          o Domanievka
          o Edineti
          o Kielbasin (or Kelbassino)
          o Khorol
          o Lemberg
          o Mezjapark
          o Ponary
          o Rawa-Russkaja
          o Salapils
          o Strazdumujsje
          o Yanowski
          o Vertugen
            (for all these camps, no subcamp known).
    * Yugoslavia:
          o Banjica
          o Brocice
          o Chabatz
          o Danica
          o Dakovo
          o Gornja reka
          o Gradiska
          o Jadovno
          o Jasenovac
          o Jastrebarsko
          o Kragujevac
          o Krapje
          o Kruscica
          o Lepoglava
          o Loborgrad
          o Sajmite
          o Sisak
          o Slano
          o Slavonska-Pozega
          o Stara-Gradiska
          o Tasmajdan
          o Zemun

That's only one army in one god damn war.  Though they were good at it.  But not near as good as we were, were they?

But sure, lets go on.
My Lai
Son My
Matter of fact, the entire US strategy in Vietnam was pretty much a serial killing.

The British, and later American Armies distributing blankets to the natives with smallpox on them.

Everything Spain did in Central and South America.

In fact, between the armies of Spain, England and the United States the number of indigenous people destroyed is in the MILLIONS. MILLIONS, what the hell do you think serial killing is?

Hiroshima

Nagasaki

Dresden

Essen

The Rape of Nanking

Belgium in the WWI

Pirates.  Yes Pirates.  Most were not 'swashbucklers' they were, in the language of the day - privateers or commerce raiders (i.e. state sponsored terrorists as we would call them today, soldiers by another name - and they thought it was bad luck to have women on board.  So they tossed them into the sea, after gang raping them.

That's just recent stuff.


By the way, offence is really spelled, offense.
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YoungSoulRebel

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Quote from: tekla on November 25, 2009, 02:40:24 AM
No offence, but I think that there's a HUGE difference between a soldier and a serial killer.

Your not really going down that road are you?  Never heard of like "war crimes trials"?

I say this as a pacifist:

Are you obsessing over me?



Post Merge: November 25, 2009, 02:59:50 PM

Quote from: tekla on November 25, 2009, 02:40:24 AMBy the way, offence is really spelled, offense.

Oh, and by the way:

Not in most of the English-speaking world.  You should really get a grip on the difference between "your" and "you're" before you attempt to correct a person's grammar.
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