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Why are boy-girls more accepted then girl-boys?

Started by Anima, July 19, 2009, 07:13:16 PM

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Mina_Frostfall

Quote from: DarkLady on July 20, 2009, 10:35:01 AM
Actually the hole thing has much to do with militaristic nationalism that rose in the late 19 th century and is still worshipped in some places like here and in the most places in the USA.

Was something deleted here and the thread? Because this sorta looks out of place. If not...

Are you saying that the whole thing that men aren't allowed to be feminine is the result of 19th century militarism? I would say that is totally incorrect since it predates it by at least 2000 years. You can trace it back to Roman culture. The attitudes about those kinds of things in Rome are very close to how they are in the United States today. I'd say that the only appreciable difference is that men who have anal sex with another were still considered manly if they were "on top". Otherwise it was the same, if not worse, especially after the state religion was changed.
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Rebeestef

I would agree with Blair. A man in a TuTu is comical and threatens the "masculinity" of other men. A woman in a pantsuit can be "hot" and other women may even aspire to be her. Med are supposed to be all one way - but women are expected to vary amongst each other and even within themselves from moment to moment. Me n are stiffled. And expected to be so. When the man in a dress is present the norm of society is broken and others feel acute angst. Women have greater freedom and thus the pantsuit does not break a norm
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chrysalis

I used to think it had something to do with the oh-so-popular theory of it being a mans world so being a man is seen as more desireable, but I don't think gender is where it ends. I think it has more to do with dominance and men inherently occupying a dominant position in our world (the Western World at least).

I've found plenty of instances when voluntarily giving up power is seen in a negative light. I don;t have any studies to back up this view, it is simply an opinion I am exploring though.
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Lorraine Dawe

I used to think the same way myself, now I am not convinced about it anymore. Female to Males have just as much problems trying to be accepted in society. If you present well as a female most people will accept you as such, sure if you talking about men dressing in women's clothing then yeh it isn't seen as the norm in the same way as a woman wearing men's style clothing, but thats just fashion, women wear trousers in everyday life whereas men generally don't wear skirts ect. So it will always be unusual to see a man wearing a dress or skirt, cause its not mainstream.

I am not certain about this but I do believe that makeup was first worn by men, in the days when males were seen as the peacocks in society, something did change in the 19th century, men ended up working in tougher job roles, where it was perhaps impractical for them to be seen dressed too flamboyantly. Where there is masculine there has to be feminine, it doesn't matter which way around it is, but it had to be there. Part of the problem as I see it is most men these days seem happy with masculinity, they seem to reject the idea of becoming more feminine, women fought for the right to have the same rights and privileges as guys do, whether they have got it or not remains to be seen, but I guess what we have to remember is as a transgendered person you want something that goes against the majority of what society wants, I honestly believe that if most men wanted to wear skirts and dresses and makeup ect, it would have happened a long time ago.
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