Dl gender marker change

[Hal]

Hi,

a question for those of you who have changed your gender markers on documents, how exactly did you go about it at the DL center? I live in PA and know that i'll need to show my surgeon's letter and a current ID, but is there any form I need to fill out beforehand, or will they provide it once I tell them why I'm there? Also what's the best line to drop to start things off with smoothly.

Thanks,
Hal

[Janet_Girl]

In Oregon, I just filled out change form, because I also changed my name.  That and the letter from my therapist and the certified name change form.

Janet

[LordKAT]

Took in my name change form and got a license with an M on it. I think they just looked at my tie and said "Why not?"

[Renate]

Changing sex on driver's licenses (Pennsylvania)

(This link also has all the other states.)

[Hal]

Thanks everyone ! I'll definitely put a tie on as well, might help. One other question, if I mail in my originals to the SSA, how long do they usually keep them?

Thank you again,
Hal

[Renate]

if I mail in my originals to the SSA, how long do they usually keep them?

Go to your local SSA office, they keep your originals about 5 minutes!

Social Security Administration office locator

[Dora]

Changing sex on driver's licenses (Pennsylvania)
(This link also has all the other states.)

From that link for Colorado:

Colorado

In order to change your name on your driver's license or identification card, requires showing proof of identity, age, name, (as well as legal name change) and "lawful presence". The current fee for a duplicate card is $21 for a driver's license and $10.50 for an identification card.

In Colorado this will get your name changed on the DL, but not your gender marker. To change your gender marker, go to the DMV and ask for a gender marker change form. Take this form to your your doctor, have her fill it out and then take it back to the DMV.

The only difficulty I ran into was none of the clerks there had done the form before and it took 45 minutes for them to figure out how to process it.

[Hal]

You mention they (SSA) report a 'mismatch' to your employer. Do you mean current employer or even to the ones you might have in the future in case you decide to get a new/other job after your ID changes?

Hi, for an SS card - a name change is a relatively simple process. If you mail in original documents, you will get them back but it may take several weeks. For a gender marker change, documention from your surgeon is mandatory though I have seen reports of this rule not being followed in all cases.  More specific information with regard to the required documentation can be found on the Social Security Administration's web site. Just my opinion, but I find it rather unfortunate that the SSA now reports a gender 'mismatch' to one's employer.
For a DL - in my state, the DMV required a letter from my therapist and  my original change of name document - no photocopies allowed where I live. That, and a $5 fee was all it took.

[LordKAT]

Not to current employer but to any future employer who sends in info.

[Hal]

Not to current employer but to any future employer who sends in info.

That sucks! What do you mean 'sends in info?' Isn't that standard procecure when they hire somebody? Or does it only happen for a specific reason, like they are suspicious, and wanna look into things further?

[LordKAT]

I think it is standard for moderate companies but some small businesses don't so maybe larger ones don't either, somewhere.

[Renate]

In the US, employment starts with the I-9 form to prove eligibility of employment.
You might use a state-issued ID as proof of identification.
Such an ID might have a corrected gender marker based on just your say-so or a therapist letter.
The I-9 reaches the Social Security Administration which has the stricter requirement of "completed sex change" for gender marker change.
It's there that the conflict occurs which causes the SSA to issue a "no-match" letter to your employer.
Your employer could take any action to this letter, including throwing it in the trash or resending the I-9 without any gender specified.

[Renate]

The National Center for Transgender Equality has information on:

Social Security Gender No-Match Letters and Transgender Employees

[Hal]

Thanks for all the info. So if I am reding this correctly, they only send a no match letter if you haven't changed your gender marker with the SSA yet. Once you have it changed there too, there shouldn't be a problem? Cause I heard something about them keeing still a 'correction' on file...