For all those on HRT: Can you still pass as male?

[CaitJ]

Right.  If you dress enough like a male and act enough like a male almost anybody, regardless of birth sex, can pass as a male- especially if you have some masculine features you can bring to the forefront.

That's actually really demeaning to trans men who don't pass.

[CaitJ]

Not all MTF can pass as male.
CaitJ definatly can't. She posted a pic in the FTM passing thread dressed as a dude.....I laughed my ass off.

LOL cheers Cynthia!

[Elijah3291]

That's actually really demeaning to trans men who don't pass.

I agree!

[Virginia]

(Out of respect for everyone's opinion, and this seems to be a topic many of us are unable to agree upon)
As I am not a trans man who is unable to pass, it's hard for me to say how I would interpret this. And anyone can be offended by anything so I hesitate to infer my values on someone else. But the qualifier "almost anyone" does give room for the exception.

[moonrise]

So MTF's have to prove they are not male to be accepted as women and FTM's need to not give any reason to think they are female to be accepted as men. It doesn't change the importance of gender cues for passing one way or the other. But it certainly good to know if we are starting with a glass that is half full or half empty.

Wow!  I never thought of it this way but I think you are absolutely correct.  That would also be why attitude is so important also.

[Just Shelly]

Then all cis women can pass as male if they want to.
Therefore anyone of any gender can pass as anything.
Your point is flawed.

No Flaw there.

I can guarantee you even if Hallie Berry tried to pass as male SHE COULD, if she really wanted or needed too.

What is passing though? When you can give me a definitive answer of passing as the opposite gender, then I may be flawed.

I get mamm'ed with my hair up, hair down, grunge cloths, speaking (male voice),unshaven  ect....ect.....even when I'm presenting 100% male

Does this mean I can't pass as male, No it just means people don't pay that close enough attention.

Just today I was walking out of a mens room in a convenience store, when a man walked in the same time, he said excuse me, I thought because he was in the way. I then seen the shock on his face after he turned around to look at the sign on the door. I also seen him outside as he was leaving, he had another WTF look.

If you were to ask him was I male or female, I'm sure his answer would be I don't know. So I guess to him maybe I can't pass as male, but I could go to 10 other stores that same day and maybe get sirr'ed the rest of the day.

[CaitJ]

Special snowflake, I see 

7 foot tall dude with bulging muscles, blue beard shadow, massive adam's apple, basso profundo voice, size 18 feet, neandethal brow bossing and huge hands can pass as a woman?
Tiny woman with soprano voice, FF breasts, extreme hourglass figure, tiny delicate hands, pixie facial features, delicate bones can pass as a man?
With both, only with a lot of surgery and HRT.
The question was: For all those on HRT: Can you still pass as male?

The answer is NO. I cannot. Say what you like about yourself, but I've tried passing as a male post HRT and I failed (as Cynthia pointed out).
My issue here is you trying to speak on behalf of everyone. Please don't do that.

[pebbles]

You really shouldnt take hrt unless you intend to transition,
A, there are medical problems possible, so a doctor is vital.
B, It makes you sterile in roughly 6 months, and the little thingy wont work.... (if you think thats bad i guess)
C, its a big thing

I disagree as long as you are fully aware of the consequences of what HRT will do to you and your prepared for breast development, sterility, psychological effect ect ect, transition or not It's fine to take.

Could I pass as male? Very easily stop using my female voice, Grow my sparse and sporadic facial hair out wear my hair in such a way to emphasize my male facial attributes. wear baggy clothes to hide my small breasts  I could with ease get read as male 95% of the time.

[cynthialee]

I must also disagree with the no HRT unless you transition statement.
My wife is severly depressed when not on a masculinzing level of T. On T ze is normal in moods and depression is no longer an issue.
Ze is an androgyn but due to our culture not having androgyns ze is read as female. Why should ze present male when ze is perfectly happy as is? Yes it would be better if we had a recognized gender of androgyn for hir, but it is what it is.
So ze takes hir T and does well as a masculine woman in the eyes of society.

My mate is not a man ze shouldn't be required to pretend to be one just to get the medication (HRT) that makes hir stable.

[KillBelle]

i started when i was 19...and well..it was worth it lol

[KillBelle]

Also, you are asian just like me and fortunately for us...we are just a tad bit luckier =]

[Just Shelly]

I disagree as long as you are fully aware of the consequences of what HRT will do to you and your prepared for breast development, sterility, psychological effect ect ect, transition or not It's fine to take.

Could I pass as male? Very easily stop using my female voice, Grow my sparse and sporadic facial hair out wear my hair in such a way to emphasize my male facial attributes. wear baggy clothes to hide my small breasts  I could with ease get read as male 95% of the time.

YES!
My thoughts exactly.

I think you pass very well, but you and I know its not overly difficult to go back to what you had to do most of your life prior to starting HRT.

As far as all those who are on HRT yes IF YOU WANT TOO! I won't say its easy, cause that means you would have to dress down and look pretty scruffy, but it can be done UNFORTUNATLY

Hell, my ex had 36 C/D cups and when she wore baggy sweatshirts, I barely noticed them. Do you honestly think I couldn't hide my little A/B cups?

Shelly

[CaitJ]

As far as all those who are on HRT yes IF YOU WANT TOO! I won't say its easy, cause that means you would have to dress down and look pretty scruffy, but it can be done UNFORTUNATLY

No. Do not speak for others.
You might be able to pass as your birth assigned gender, but do not assume that others can.

[Just Shelly]

No. Do not speak for others.
You might be able to pass as your birth assigned gender, but do not assume that others can.

You know, I'm not going to get in a cat fight with you, heck you'd win anyways, your bigger them me!

I am NOT speaking for others. Frankly I'm, just being realistic.

Its all about if you WANT too, but thats not any mtf's goal, if it was I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard.

I'm happy for you to have 100% confidence that you couldn't pass as male any more. I think that is a good place to get to. I know of genetic woman that have a hard time pulling off being woman, I still know they're a woman though, its what flows from them since they've been born.

I'm just more of a realist, maybe thats a bad thing.

I WILL speak for myself. I am having a hard time passing as male! does it mean I CAN"T. I don't logicilly think so.

Shelly

[CaitJ]

You know, I'm not going to get in a cat fight with you, heck you'd win anyways, your bigger them me!

I am?

[K8]

 

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