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Jasper: Face of Transsexual Womanhood 2009.

Started by Natasha, September 12, 2009, 09:21:40 AM

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Carolyn

#40
...Everyone else seems to have thrown their thoughts about this guy in here, why not me? I'll keep it simple and get straight to the point, agree or disagree I don't care...

He is annoying and knows nothing...

That is all


Removed suggestion of violence. ~ Miniar
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Just Kate

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Quote from: Carolyn on September 16, 2009, 03:57:30 AM
...agree or disagree I don't care...

He is annoying and knows nothing...


WTF?!?!  He doesn't agree with you so he deserves to die?  You do understand the nature of polarization don't you?  I hope to goodness none of his more militant friends (if he has any) takes what you say and generalizes to other TS who THEY disagree with.  Agree with him or not, you just added a mountain of fuel to his fire should he find it.  What the freak were you thinking?!!

Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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jonnismith

No offense meant by what I am about to post but I don't understand how someone can claim to be a non- transitioning transsexual. To me that is an oxymoron.
Wouldn't that mean you have GID but you are ok existing in your present state?
When you actively take steps to change to your target sex (hair removal, HRT...) wouldn't you then be considered transsexual? You know Trans-sex.
Maybe someone can clear this up for me?
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dyssonance

Quote from: Jonni on September 16, 2009, 12:31:30 PM
No offense meant by what I am about to post but I don't understand how someone can claim to be a non- transitioning transsexual. To me that is an oxymoron.
Wouldn't that mean you have GID but you are ok existing in your present state?
When you actively take steps to change to your target sex (hair removal, HRT...) wouldn't you then be considered transsexual? You know Trans-sex.
Maybe someone can clear this up for me?

He does not claim to be a transsexual. He claims to be a transwoman.

In this case, the read is transgender woman instead of transsexual woman.

However, either way, the gender performance is still masculine -- ergo, that's not crossing a gender line.
Thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunky world, make, each of us, one non-flunky, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Thomas Carlyle)
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heatherrose




http://tgnonsense.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/transgender-word-of-the-day/


For years now a very few of us have waded into the major GLBT and mainstream blogs saying one thing:  classic transsexualism is very different from transgender.  The result of this internet bravery has been a tirade of insults and shout-downs that truly has to be experienced to be appreciated.  We have persevered.

This.


"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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Shana A

There have been various instances in this thread veering close to violations of TOS. Expressing opposing viewpoints is fine, but remember, in particular;

Quote10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.  This includes but is not limited to:

    * Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
    * Suggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others

and

Quote
15. Items under discussion shall be confined to the subject matter at hand, members shall avoid taking the other users posts personally, and/or posting anything that can reasonably be construed as a personal attack.

If they continue, I will lock this thread.

Thanks!

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Calistine

Well actually he did say he was transsexual in this article.
I agree with Jasper living the way he wants if it works for him. But I simply don't beleive he has the right to tell all transwomen who they are.
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Just Kate

Quote from: Jonni on September 16, 2009, 12:31:30 PM
No offense meant by what I am about to post but I don't understand how someone can claim to be a non- transitioning transsexual. To me that is an oxymoron.
Wouldn't that mean you have GID but you are ok existing in your present state?
When you actively take steps to change to your target sex (hair removal, HRT...) wouldn't you then be considered transsexual? You know Trans-sex.
Maybe someone can clear this up for me?

Well being one of the only intentionally non-transitioning transsexuals on here and probably the most outspoken, I will try to explain.  Transsexuals experience gender dysphoria.  Most, if not all, seek some way to fix it so that it is not so debilitating and all consuming.  Transition is the avenue most take to fix it as it seems to have the best results.  Some choose to deal with theirs another way other than transition.  That would make them non-transitioning, but no less in need of a fix/correction than those who transition.

I'm not against transition for others, I only wished to find another way to deal with the gender dysphoria.  Perhaps this doesn't make me a transsexual, but I believe I fit the mold in every other way that does make one a transsexual with exception of how I treat my dysphoria.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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dyssonance

Going back some 50 years ago, it was recognized that transition or even full time were not for all transsexuals.

Indeed, about the only thing that was universal back then was the benefit received from hormones.

However, to be a transsexual, the dysphoric aspect must be clinically significant in terms of impact on one's life.

Those of us on the board who are qualified psychologists and psychiatrists may have some serious questions about that part.

And likely more than a few disagreements.
Thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunky world, make, each of us, one non-flunky, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Thomas Carlyle)
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Circé

Hello,

I just wanted to say how i feel as a woman after reading Jasper's blog. In it, he attacks transsexual women because they try to explain politely at first, that they are in fact very much women. What Jasper or others wish to express or experience is theirs to do but they should not think they have the right to belittle and vilify women who were born with transsexualism.

I have never suffered from any GID though i have suffered from the bigotry and prejudices of others. For me, transsexuality is a biological condition and there is  mounting evidence supporting this and it's now a matter of time before this is made even more clear. I've been through transition years ago and live as i always should have, simply as a woman.

I don't hate on Jasper or others, but i do say that it's my feeling that there seems to be more and more transsexual women taking a stand against having their lives erased.

http://ilseofcirce.wordpress.com/
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Sarah Louise

Ok, I have read Jasper's homepage, listened to his video.

What is the big deal?

We all are allowed to have our own opinion and all he has stated is His own opinion.  Agree or disagree, but leave it at that, check your emotions at the door.

This can be a sensitive issue, but the debate over who gets to define womanhood has been going on since the first transgendered/transsexual person evolved.

Transgendered is an all encompassing term:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,54369.msg337984.html#msg337984

(Transgender: an inclusive umbrella term which covers anyone who transcends their birth gender for any reason. This includes but is not limited to Androgynes, Crossdressers, Drag kings, Drag queens, Intersexuals, Transsexuals, and ->-bleeped-<-s.)

I have seen several requests for this thread to be locked, and it will be if people don't calm down and state their opinion objectivily without personal attacks.

Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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NicholeW.

The one thing that consistently rears it's head in this sort of thread is that people agree and disagree -- but there's hell to pay if you disagree.

Jasper manages to do something as old as Cadmus, with much the same effect. He tosses a rock or three into a mass of transsexing/transsexed women, crossdressers, genderqueers and assorted personalities who make their lives on the internet and creates a tumbling, rambling argument amongst those who say they disagree with him. All the while he stands and watches the mayhem and reaps the benefits of blog-hits.  :laugh: :laugh: Seems like he may just have it together, regardless of his views.

Good on Jasper. He's getting, as has been pointed out, exactly what he wants. Strangely, he's also managed to give his opponents what they wish as well: another chance to have a go at one another.  :laugh: That never takes even as much effort as he's gone to though.

Finally, the arguments seem to matter more than anything else.

Someone wants to be stealth, HBS-political, HBS-biological, Genderqueer, active or passive? Then do so.

The one true thing about internet is that everyone can and does have an opinion.

To allow another's opinion to get that far inside one's own head as to make this roiling mass of anger and argument ... well, just seems sorta useless to a visitor who came to answer a PM.

Is all of this truly that important to anyone?


Yes, Dyss, my friend, for someone to qualify as having a disorder there is that niggly little matter of the effect on one's ability to negotiate one's daily life in a way that allows them to work, have some social interaction and to be able perform daily tasks. By those standards probably no one who's rendered an opinion on this thread has ever been truly badly disordered. At least, not yet.

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Natasha

Dear Jaspmin ooops !

http://sophiaofthescythes.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/dear-jaspmin-ooops/
by sophiaofthescythes
9/17/09

I have to take everything at face value so the following comment appearing on Jasper's blog (And quoted in the previous post) can either be an actual comment from some woman or Jasper is up to his tricks again. Yes Jasper your tricks are so outlandish and funny I cannot actually bring myself to despise you. (Said Freyja to Loki!)

But read the following and see what is being said.
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finewine

Quote from: Matilda on September 16, 2009, 07:38:01 PM
Oh, it's rather amusing to see how quickly people have changed their views since this Jasper person appeared.  I remember not too long ago when I was being called an "elitist" for making the distinction between transsexual and transgender, between transwoman and woman of transsexual history.  It only required one Jasper for people to finally get it, huh? *chuckle*

As someone from outside that whole arena, there's something I don't understand - but I'm sure someone can enlighten me...

Why do some post-op people get so possessive about the term transsexual only being used for post-op (SRS) folk like them, as if you're only a "true" transsexual if you've "gone all the way" and yet, in the next breath (metaphorically), get all pissy about being called "trans-anything"?

I realize I may be the fool commenting on the emperor's new clothes but this whole issue seems to be a spectacular melodrama over something that, from my admittedly ill-informed perspective, seems to be utterly inconsequential.

I could understand a sense of mild indignation about some random character trying to assert their own categorization on others but, when compared to each of your individual situations and challenges, I'm still struggling to see what the big deal is.
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dyssonance

Thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunky world, make, each of us, one non-flunky, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Thomas Carlyle)
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Valentina

What a misogynistic creep!  Somebody that hates post-op transsexual women that much has to be a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-.  Sorry we haven't got what you want creep!
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Ariablue

One comment I'd like to make for clarity is that men and women born with the transsexual condition do not experience "GID" in the sense that it is used with respect to transgender issues.  "GID" most properly describes people who do not have the transsexual "syndrome", and whose problems seem to orbit around "gender roles" and "gender presentation".

I think this is another source of confusion that facilitates the mixing of two separate conditions, transsexual and transgender, together.  For the transsexual-born, societal gender is a consequence of the physical condition, not the cause.  I'm not certain what causes a putative "transgender" condition.  It is a condition that causes a person significant distress which we currently don't understand fully.  This of course has nothing to do with bohemian types who simply do not care about societal standards, aka "genderqueer".  These are three separate things that people have a tendency to mix together. 

I've modified my views on "GID" since my initial belief it was a freedom-of-expression issue.  I've come to believe that there are people who do experience serious problems with their "gender" that go beyond the role strain that everyone feels at one time or another in a restrictive society.  At the same time, this is not related to the problem of those who are born differently, aka transsexuality. 

It does everyone a disservice to ignore the truth, because that ignorance feeds an atmosphere of denial and leads away from getting the proper help to those who need it.  Physical transition is not a panacea for "GID", and the current practice of pushing hormones and surgery as a solution for it is harmful.  We need a better understanding of what causes GID before psychology or psychiatry can address it.
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Natasha

Quote from: Matilda on September 18, 2009, 07:05:23 AM
Nothing screams TROLL louder than a  non-transsexual man who spends hours and hours on TG/TS forums/blogs commenting on subjects that don't apply to them (i.e, WBT, stealth, SRS, post-operative life, etc).  Yes, I understand that everyone wants to have their opinions heard, but hell, if they haven't walked one mile in our shoes, the best thing they can do is to STFU and go drink beer with their "buddies" or something. 



hahaha ;)


i'd like to have dinner with a troll.  i'd like to ask them a few questions:

--how do you pick the forums you troll?

--do you really think this is going to help the fact you have no friends and no life?

--do your imaginary friends get upset when you ignore them for so long?

--why do you need this kind of attention?  did you not get enough hugs?

--do you, by any chance, like the movie 'the matrix'?
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