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The FTM adam's apple is not a myth...

Started by Luc, September 15, 2009, 01:28:42 AM

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Luc

Just noticed a week or two ago that the "lump" in my throat has enlarged. It's not too easy to see at the moment because I'm still battling the bulge, lol, but it's there, all right.

It's funny... I never really cared about getting one, and kind of assumed that I wouldn't, seeing as I didn't start T until 25. But... stranger things have happened.

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JonasCarminis

yea, mine grew too.  took a few months though.  i had absolutely no idea if i would or not though since some people say its dependant on age, some say its genetics, and some say you dont get one.

it totally sounds like i wasnt talking about my adams apple. >_>
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Mister

Hmm, i've never seen anywhere that people say it was a myth..

i always had a slight adam's apple, but it is more pronounced now.
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Luc

It was meant more as an exclamation than an insinuation that it was in fact a myth. Just to clarify.
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Teknoir

Well, considering the growth of the larynx that happens post-T, I can't say I'm at all surprised. Still pretty cool though.
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Silver

Congrats. As far as I know, pretty much everybody gets one. Most everyone's voice deepens, does it not?

SilverFang
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Ender

Quote from: Teknoir on September 16, 2009, 02:08:55 AM
Well, considering the growth of the larynx that happens post-T, I can't say I'm at all surprised.

That's what I was thinking--getting a larger Adam's Apple seems like a natural result of a deepening voice.  Just how much it sticks out probably depends on build, genetics, etc.

I don't particularly care about getting a visible one or not.  Is what it is.
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Alex_C

Some guys just don't have 'em that stick out, some stick out a lot but most don't.

Mostly a "manly" neck is a matter of thickness and unless the guy is overweight, muscularity. I actually train my neck because I don't like having a skinny neck and as part of my overall program to be in good shape, I want everything to be strong.
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Kumodamoogle

There are plenty of women with them and plenty of men without. Its one of those gray areas of physical sexuality, like broad shoulders, wide hips, a strong jaw/brow ect ect. I think people sometimes put to much stress on secondary sex characteristics and then you end up with these myths. "Oh you can tell that guy isnt an XY male because he's short, light boned and has no Adams apple." Maybe a Transman worries about such things when he looks in a mirror, but the vast majority of people you meet arent going to even notice. As far as friends and family who knew you "in the before time" pfft, they're just nit-picking because they can. Because they KNOW.

Gratz On growing one anyway Bro.  ;D
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StormOfThorns

I apologize ahead of time for bringing an old thread back from the dead. I know a lot of folks hate it when necro-threads are posted in, but I do not see the point in starting a new topic when it already exists. After all, when someone enters something in the search thread it includes things from all dates. This is for the guests hiding away and members as well. Since I am a member of this forum already, I do not see the harm in adding to this. I want to bring hope for folks just starting their journey.

I would like to add that yes, while not everyone might get the "apple" it is totally possible! It's one of the things I hoped for the most because for me personally it feels important to "pass" for now.

I can't contain my own excitement in discovering all the sudden I noticed the lump in my throat. I thought it was because I was bending my neck in a strange way. At times I could feel it but only if I bent my neck back a bit. Yet, just a few days ago I noticed my throat was getting extremely sore (this is actually rare, it's never squeaked and rarely cracks) but I noticed an adam's apple growing! It's actually becoming very prominent just from a few days! This is quite a new milestone in a way for me... so I'll put up with the pain. It's a good pain!

I've been T for 1 year and 8 months or so (according to my tracker also), but I started out at 0.25, then it was increased to 0.50 after 6 months and I'm now on 0.75. I've only been on 0.75 for a few months now. I was worried at first that because of dose being not full, I never thought anything would actually show up. But now I am grateful for the lower dose as it's allowed my body and especially my throat to adjust smoothly. I had to remind myself even cisborn males don't have things happen in just a year, but up to 14 years or more!

My voice really only has begun reaching a male-ish tremor? (is that the right term, ya know.. the effect that adds graveliness n junk) and depth, and knowing that it's not even finished? My voice is (might be, but likely) to be kinda deep once it does finally settle. I was lucky, though that even before this I sounded like a boy, talked like a boy, yadda yadda. My singing voice is pretty much wrecked for now (it used to be one of my natural born gifts), but all but lost. On a good day, I can pretty much emulate Elvis shockingly enough, haha.

It's hard to not be impatient and want a higher dose just to get the effects faster. But I get sirred more consistently, especially on the phone. And now in person! So, nothing really is impossible. Adam's apples CAN happen for those lucky folks who thought it'd never happen. I know it's not the most important thing in transition, but it can definitely help with looking naturally male/feeling more confindent. That it's not just "passing" anymore. I've always noticed and envied men with big adam's apples and deep voices. It's one of the first thing I notice on a person (other than their teeth, blegh). Now that it's actually happening to me, I am just beside myself!

I'm not looking for congratulations, just throwing in my input and encouragement for future readers. Don't get impatient. It can happen, and eventually will. I know, I know 'your mileage may vary'. The worst thing you can do is compare yourself to others, you'll just put yourself down. Yet, don't give up.

My greatest example to highlight is the actor Ralph Macchio. Did you realize he was actually 23 in the Karate Kid movie? He looked and sounded like a 14 year old to me, lol. His voice didn't drop until many years later. So yea... this is natural! It happens to cisfolk, too. It's alllll good. Some of us are just late bloomers.  8)
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Laura_7

There are a few blogs of trans men who wanted to retain their signing voices.

They said to start out at a lower dose for a few months, just like you did... so the larynx might expand more naturally, gradually.

Many of them were happy with their voice change, some of them kept singing on a pro level.

Exact experiences can be looked up...


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StormOfThorns

O yea, one example I can think of is Lucas Silveira. He sounds pretty natural to me. Yea, I will look more into it.

I can still sing, it's just that since it keeps dropping slightly more month by month (I've kept a voice log of it), it's a bit difficult to find my range. And I have to be gentle with it. But I think it's a great exercise for the voice even if folks are a bit tone deaf, haha. Just know when to give it a rest when things start feeling forced.

I plan on personally getting some vocal lessons in a year or so, because honestly I already can reach some low tenor pitches already. On a good day. Some days it get's too hoarse and gets too stiff. And I am sort of in between ranges so many songs are either too low, or too high. Blah. Elvis along with some other 50s are the easiest to adjust to.  :P

In the end, it's really not about the adam's apple but feeling happy with what's happening. The apple is just a possible side effect.
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Kuritzk

I'm only a couple weeks on T, but I swear my neck's slightly thicker and I can feel my adam's apple.

It's weird though, because if I feel the front of my neck, I actually feel two bulges. I don't actually know which one's the adam's apple, but I googled it, and apparently Aydian Dowling made a video about the exact same problem, haha.
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