Did you you passed or are passing BEFORE Testosterone?

[Jamie]

I think that's James Hetfield.

@Radar
Yes, that's James! 

@ Alex_C
Bro, if only I was looking like that... 

[Silver]

I just have to say this: I got carded today. I'm 47!!!!!!!

Lol.

Well now that my hair's short, I pass occasionally until I open my mouth. Got some "confused" looks in the high school weight room as well.

It's kind of funny, I'm dating this guy right now. He's shorter than me and has short hair and we dress the same. He's pretty skinny and lacks muscle too. So from behind everyone thinks I'm the guy.

I'm to feminine, I'm small framed and I have big hips and a really high voice. Damned puberty.

SilverFang

[thestory]

I don't have any proper confirmation on how well I pass. A couple of people have thought I was a guy but corrected themselves because they recognized me from before. Only one other person has called me 'young man' but other than that I don't get called either him or her. Once or twice I have been called a lady but usually my voice gives it away. My voice fluctuates from being rather neutral to being feminine.
But I live a rather routinized life at the moment. I go to school and come home. I go to a smaller college so everyone knows me there from before, so there is no helping it. Perhaps I should ask more people or show pics to better gauge it. 

[Adam]

I pass (pre-t) about 99% of the time.

The only time I don't, is when my father constantly outs me everywhere we go All you hear from him is she and her. It drives me bloody insane.

My parents use to be like that. It was so annoying. Now they're being nicer and using male pronouns more.

[thestory]

The only time I don't, is when my father constantly outs me everywhere we go All you hear from him is she and her. It drives me bloody insane.

Yeah... my family outs me and my girlfriend was really bad about pronouns (sigh). If my mom does refer to me as 'he' she usually laughs it off and it becomes a joke. It can be difficult.

[Myself]

Yea, my mom is totally cool with it and does a great job of remembering pronouns, but my father has almost no short term memory so I have to tell him not to call me she all the time. 

A) !!!!!!!!!!! Your cat is amazing!!!!!!!!!!! :O

B) I had a friend mistake when we went somewhere once, I made it into a joke and called him she all the time, it seemed to have work Not sure how it would work with a parent though ^^

Edit: I find the results of the poll really interesting for some reason! a while ago it was exactly the same between yes/no and mostly yes/no, now it's a bit more to the no mostly.. pretty even!

It seems to teach something.. Thanks for all who participated! good luck with your way too

[Myself]

Thanks, that's Samuel, the little beast man.

Haha I have tried that with my father and he just looked really confused, and forgot about it a few minutes later lol

I know if I tried that with my mother we'd probably both look so funny that people would think i's some sort of a private joke and would probably remind mom of the thing

My father took me to a train station oce, I had a shirt which was more like a rag than a shirt, it was so old and..
Anyways, I also I wouldn't expect anything to see me as a female. looked way too bad.

Surprisingly enough, for the best in my case^^ the security guard (they check your bags pretty much anywhere in Israel..) referred me as a she! my dad was like "What" but then he took his id out so she won't need to check my bag and it looked only as if he didn't hear properly her asking if he has an ID so she won't need to check *my* bag.

But even funnier, was last thursday!! I went to the laser center, I had facial hair all over me.

I went to the wrong room in the building! :O it wasn't even part of the center, it's in a mall and there are different centers at that level and offices.

The woman there, even though with the facial hair and everything, me hiding my breasts (well, going in a mall with facial hair AND breasts is just too odd, sorry!) and not using any pronoun on myself, completely surprised me when she referred to me, without second thought, as a she!
I was happy it happened several times more that day.

I think the only thing that gives me out is the a bit brow prominent thingy and the nose usually, but lately something definitely changed.

Those events where we get confused because we were expecting for the worse, or our friends and family get confused because of other people seeing us for what we are at the best
The time we expect to be fine or are being embarrassed by our friends and relatives are probably worse.

I went to by jeans with my mother, the woman there helped us.
I was with a tube top (one with straps), bra, make up hiding the bit of stubble I have.

But mom and her boyfriend kept confusing.. and I really wasn't sure what the woman there was thinking, I wanted to become invisible, go home, hide.. anything! :O
But at least they are trying! at home they sometime call me this, sometimes that, I am not pushing ^^

[Alex_C]

You know, you could pick up a razor and a can of Barbasol just about anywhere and clean up the facial hair.... or does it have to have some growth for the laser treatment?

[Myself]

You know, you could pick up a razor and a can of Barbasol just about anywhere and clean up the facial hair.... or does it have to have some growth for the laser treatment?

what is Barbasol ? and they ask to shave 24 hours before and then not to.

Besides, stubble! can be hidden with make up but need not to apply make up 24 hours too, to avoid irritation.

[Alex_C]

Barbasol is this cheapo shaving cream, "the beard buster" lol. You can get it for like $1.20 a can and it lasts a long time. That and a cheap Bic shaver...

[Myself]

Did any of you ever faked stubble?

[Alex_C]

No thanks I grow my own.

[Netherlands]

I was still verry young when I started on T (15) At a young age I cut my hair short. So I passed all the time in the mensroom. As long is a can remember even at a verry young age 4,5,6 years old I always went to the mens room with my Dad. I never had to go to the toilet when my Mom needed to go there I always waited until dad went to the toilet. So I always even at that age found my own sollutions. I'm now 27 years old so I think I can say I'm passing for about 20 years now.

[Alex_C]

Everyone called me Sir today even cute girls at Starbucks yay!

BTW S'bucks has this new stuff called Via, they finally invented an instant coffee that doesn't taste like dirt. And they're giving out free samples.

[Morgan]

I can't remember a time where I've been trying to pass, and didn't. I get 'sir'd and 'young man'd all the time

Of course they all probably think I'm 14 haha. I'm short, my voice is male but high, and I'm tiny and thin.

[Miniar]

an instant coffee that doesn't taste like dirt

o.O I have a hard time believing that that's even possible.

[Alex_C]

It's amazing but true. Dunno how long it will take s'bucks to get that stuff over in Iceland, which is where I think you live, but give it a try.

[Kayden]

I picked no, mostly.

Here's the thing, though.  I looked like a young boy.  However, I'm on a college campus where you know everyone's pretty much 18+, so instead of being assumed at age 15, I was assumed to be a "butch lesbian".  I used the men's restroom anyway, usually uncrowded restrooms, because there were plenty of single use restrooms or some in the psych buildings where more progressive people were.  Off campus I wasn't as worried about it because more people just assumed I was really young.

So I guess I kinda passed?  And I would have been read male more often had I not been in a place where a certain age was expected.

[Ians Tentacles]

Only twice. 1 time at a bar at a show... "Hey man, here are your drinks" I had really short hair and was wearing a big baggy vans hoodie.

2nd time - Hot topic. "Excuse me dude."

[YoungSoulRebel]

I used very specific men's restrooms before HRT (pretty much where i knew there would be little or no problem -- like the bar i frequent and am friends with the manager, so he knew about me), but pretty much only after surgery.  Before my surgery, I wore a 38-K bra (and, as a blessing in disguise, that was my gateway to getting surgery covered under Medicare) and had no hopes of passing or even basic chest binding without surgery -- and so it goes without saying that regularly using the men's lavvies would have been problematic.

Still, there was this one instance, at a punk show, with a cramped ladies' room and a line spilling out into the bar area; serious, the ladies' room at that place had only two stalls and a single sink.  At the same venue, there were two men's rooms because of some city ordinance (Detroit), or at least that was how it was explained to me -- turns out that one of the men's rooms used to be labelled "Everybody Else" until this ordinance, and nobody is sure why it was designated a spare "Mens' Room", since the first men's room is apparently retty big.  So, yes, fed up with waiting to pee, I swore a little, left the line, and went to the spare Men's Room.  Nobody asked questions or said anything until I left and one of the bouncers said "OK, you're E's friend. Somebody said there was a girl in here, but now that I see that it's you, I'll tell them it's cool."

Of course, after I announced my surgery date, my friend recalled that incident and said "well, I guess we all knew this was fated, huh?"


As to actually getting read as a man before HRT, even post-op, I'd say "no".  I largely blame that on this being a smallish town and somehow everybody (even people I've never formally been introduced to) recognise me from somewhere or some time.  I suspect it may have been a little easier if I'd had the luxury of big-city anonymity.