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If there is a God & I pick the wrong one?

Started by Bellaon7, October 16, 2009, 10:31:41 PM

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Bellaon7

How are we supposed to pick the right one when there are so many? How are supposed to know which one is the right one? Should we choose the religion that's most attractive to us? Can all religions be right? Are those of us who follow any religion fools? How do we balance the equasion of thought & beleif?
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Janet_Girl

All religion is at it's heart is faith.  Faith in one's self and one's own path.  There are many religions don't have the dogma that others do.  Many leave you to find your path to enlightenment, thru guidance written down.

Some are thousands of years old.  If you aren't happy with the one you are involved with, seek out others that may be more to your way of thinking.

The only true religion is the one that you have faith in for you, and you only.


Janet
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Bellaon7

Janet, thank you for all the kindness & patience you have shown me. What I am asking in the plainest of terms is are religions a designer product where we just choose one that appeals to us on that basis, or other than the personal comfort that it provides, is there something more significant?
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Janet_Girl

Many religions are design for certain people to be in power of the masses.  Others are based on what humans observed in nature and then tried to explain it.

But most all religions are codes to being kind, giving, forgiving and understanding.  It is the chase to become free from all human frailty and more all knowing.  One could even say that science is a religion, the religion to know and understand all.  After all does not most religion say that God is all knowing and all seeing? 

To seek that which make your spiritually comfortable is why so many different groups are listed as religion or at least allowed to be guarded as a religion.  White Supremacy groups are protected as religion because they teach a twisted version of Christianity.  Surprising is it?  And scary.  But does that make you comfortable.  To me it is twisted and perverted, but many belive in it as truth.

But your own personal quest begins within.  What is most comfortable for you and your spiritual growth?  And that is the most important thing, your Spiritual Growth.  Is ritual and dogma important?  Only to the mind, which likes structure.  The spirit needs to expand and seek out a knowledge that make it comfortable.

Religion is very much about comfort, for both the mind and soul.

Does that make sense?


Janet
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heatherrose



If there is a "God", an Omnipotent Creative Beneficence",
which I believe there is, you have all ready begun to find it.
It desires to commune with it's "children". If you want to find it,
all you have to do is start looking and it will find you.
Start talking and it will speak to you.





"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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Kay

How are we supposed to pick the right one when there are so many?
Define "right one."  It all depends on what you're looking for.  Are you lacking structure, and seeking it?  Are you looking for comfort or hope?  For the fellowship and companionship of others?  Truth?  Are you trying to fill an emotional hole that you don't know how to explain?  Or are you seeking answers to questions regarding what came before...and what will come after this life?  Picking a religion (or choosing not to) is a very personal decision.
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How are supposed to know which one is the right one?
There isn't any way to "know" if what you're choosing to believe is true.   Faiths are founded on belief...not on fact.  Or if you're looking for a definition in biblical terms:  "faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen."  However, if by "right one," you mean something other than truth...then it all depends on what you're seeking.  Whichever one fulfills what you seek...that's the "right one" for you.
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Should we choose the religion that's most attractive to us?
If you really must choose one...then I'd say you'll have to do this if you want to be happy with it.  Doing anything else is like choosing to wear a shirt that's 2 sizes too small and expecting to feel comfortable.
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Can all religions be right?
No.  Many religions contain the concept of exclusivity.  Essentially saying that they are the only correct faith, and that followers of all other faiths are heathen, immoral, etc.  Example:  Christianity vs. the Semitic (ie. Canaananite/Babylonian ) religions found in the old testament.
Athiest (which sometimes can be seen as a religion of science) vs. any religion.  Etc...
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Are those of us who follow any religion fools?
Matter of opinion and perspective.  Staunch athiests will say yes.  Staunch followers of any religion will say no...unless of course you don't follow their religion...and then some of them will say you're a fool too.
Personally, as an agnostic, I've put a lot of thought into the complexities of perception/reality that define this existence.  It's not a simple thing.  Most people want to believe in the simple and concrete, while ignoring what they don't wish to see, or can't account for within their belief system.  It's a complex world, one that often seems easier for those who are ignorant of its complexities.  I don't begrudge anyone their right to believe whatever they want to...so long as they don't try to force those beliefs on others.  Religion does give comfort to some, and helps others by giving them something to hold onto.  (I'll skip the list of negatives for now)  It isn't foolish to seek something that you're missing, or are in need of.  However, some become so inured in the dogma that they lose themselves, and their ability to think outside of those constraints. To lose ones self in that way, is what I would consider foolish.  Like any tool, religion isn't necessarily good or evil...how it is used determines whether or not the wielder is a fool.
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How do we balance the equasion of thought & beleif?
Again, a personal decision.  As complex as balancing your thoughts and emotions.  Everyone has a different balancing point.  Some set their point while young, and never budge...often stunting their growth.  Others grow over time, and find the need to rebalance their beliefs to fit new ideas from time to time.  It's more a question of what you value, and in what way you value them, as to how you balance the two.
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Bellaon7

Yes Janet, what you say makes very good sense. One of the most shameful things people do is to use any religion & try & use it to justify hate. People may hate each other, but I've never heard of any religion that hates unless it's twisted by human hate. That is what make things difficult as far as choosing a religion. It would be much easier if religions in general were based on hate, but I haven't found one that is.   
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heatherrose



I was serious in what I had to say in my posting. When you strip off
all the pompous human bull->-bleeped-<-. it all comes down to talking to your creator.
I just think the vid is a pretty funny example of someone talking to
"The Almighty". This link is to my account of my search for "God".
Perhaps it will help you understand where I am coming from.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,64150.msg424212.html#msg424212



"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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Bellaon7

Miss Heather, I clicked on your link & am very saddend by what you went through. What I am wrestling with is not getting closer to God through man, but starting from a religion that I grew up with that plainly states man has none, never did, & never will have any divine power. If try to pull the wool over others eyes to line your pockets, then you are offending God in a very profound way.
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Virginia87106

In my opinion mankind got way off track when religion suggested that God is "out there" instead of "in here".  The true God can be found in us, not out there somewhere.

Get quiet, search your heart, listen to the space between your heartbeats.  Forgive yourself, love yourself, have compassion for all, and you will discover God in you.  There is only one.
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heatherrose



Quote from: Virginia87106 on October 17, 2009, 10:28:56 AMIn my opinion mankind got way off track when religion
suggested that God is "out there" instead of "in here".
The true God can be found in us, not out there somewhere.

Get quiet, search your heart, listen to the space between your
heartbeats.  Forgive yourself, love yourself, have compassion
for all, and you will discover God in you.  There is only one.

The only way that organized religion can stay in business is if they
are able to continue to BS people into believing that "God" is
"somewhere" and that they are the ones who hold the secret map,
and if you are a very good catholic/baptist/muslum/budist/hindu etc.
they will put a good word in for you with "the man up stairs."




"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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Luc

This is precisely why I'm still hard at work on my own version of spiritual "truth". With so many religions out there claiming to be the "one and only truth", how can anyone know what's right? And why must we assume that any particular one actually is?

I'm of the belief that there is truth in everything, from Hinduism to Christianity to Satanism to evolution. One must simply glean what he/she believes is right for him/herself and go from there.

SD
"If you want to criticize my methods, fine. But you can keep your snide remarks to yourself, and while you're at it, stop criticizing my methods!"

Check out my blog at http://hormonaldivide.blogspot.com
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Bellaon7

I don't  believe or feel like I need to pick a relgion to go to heaven or stay out of hell, but I do beleive that I can't just start denying possibilities until science can provide proof. I don't deny any possibilities, yet can't make a leap of faith to embrace one. I think I'm asking questions that can't be answered in ways other opions, beliefs, or speculation. What is hard for me is that I feel like there's a potetial for something that I can't simply ignore just becuase it's not clear cut. I'm not sure there are any anwsers that will personally put me at ease, but I also have to consider the possibilities due their possible signifigance. 
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heatherrose



Quote from: Bellaon7 on October 17, 2009, 08:28:03 PMI don't deny any possibilities, yet can't make a leap of faith to embrace one.

Sweety, why do you feel like you must commit to one?
Like Ted Kaczynski, all theologies have their lucid moments about any
particular grain of truth and also like Kaczynski all of them insist "they"
are the only ones who possess the golden cipher to interpret the truth.
The "Good Book" says all "Gifts" are available to all who believe, all you have
to do is accept them. If there is a "Truth" then it is true for all beings and
the enlightenment in it, is available to all no matter whether their
allegiance is toward the organized religious or are a devout atheist.




"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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Bellaon7

Ol man kazinscy(name does not deserve the respect of korectal speling) was are wondreful neighbor there in MT that hid bihind his bombs.My point is that i don't need to use my last gasp of breath trying to reach the "right God" & understand there are no absolutes in human terms. Yet there are so many examples of people that have been tortured to death for refusing to renounce their beliefs. Are they fools, am I just weak, or am I justotally missing something?
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heatherrose

#15


It has been said a bazillion times, "It is in the journey, not the destination."
The fools are they who believe that they have found the truth.
We are all missing something, if not,
there would be a few more people walking on water.


"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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heatherrose



Did "they" travel in a straight line when "they" conquered Everest and
were "they" successful the first, second or third time "they" tried?




"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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glendagladwitch

There is only one solution.  Watch this video.

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V M

If you didn't pick Mermaid Goddess Virginia, then your screwed. I will send a tsunami upon you....Buahahahahahaha  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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finewine

Quote from: Virginia Marie on October 18, 2009, 01:15:24 AM
If you didn't pick Mermaid Goddess Virginia, then your screwed. I will send a tsunami upon you....Buahahahahahaha  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

All Hail MGV!

I shall sacrifice some grilled sardines in your honour!  (yummy)
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