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Buck Angel.. What do you think?

Started by FlorDeLuna, November 07, 2009, 12:22:10 PM

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IanToxic

Ii'm not into him and quite frankly he makes me a bit uncomfy buuuut it is his body so eh he can do whatever he wants with it.Though i do sooorta worry about the repercussions of his actions. Kinda like when the "pregnant man"  ->-bleeped-<- hit the public ya know? but maybe I'm just worrying too much.
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DamagedChris

Meh, you guys who commented on me can say what you like; its a hypocritical double standard I admit. But just because prostitution is a time-honored profession doesn't mean I have to applaud those that partake of it...to each their own on their professions, good for them, but I don't have to commend someone on it just because their circumstances are any different than cis people in the profession.

So no, I don't think he's "brave" or "courageous" or deserves any more commendation than anyone else doing the profession.
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YoungSoulRebel

Quote from: Kvall on November 07, 2009, 03:49:25 PM
I've seen a few clips of his stuff and I like it as long as the sound is off. LOL. He is not really my type, at all, but I am one who appreciates trans guy/cis guy pairings and I wish there were more... uh, twinky FTMs doing what he's doing.

There are -- do a search for Morty Diamond's videos (I'm pretty sure he's just the director, though -- WARNING, SO NOT SAFE FOR WORK [cos some people seem to need it spelled out, nobody here yet, that I've noticed, so I'm erring on the side of caution]).

As for my opinion of Buck Angel?

Once-upon-a-time, I trained as a Pro Domme and even as a (femme) adult model, so obviously I have some of his same lack-of-hang-ups about being nude, nude, nude and LIVE!  This light familiarity with the BD/SM "scene" (I'm really not that into it, on a personal level, as much more than an occasional thing) also means I've had at least one interaction with him (that I can recall) and know people who know him better.  So, on one hand, I'm all "more power to him" if this is what he wants to do -- seriously, I'm not one to judge this kind of thing, and I find TS persons who are down of sex-workers of any variety to be the inherently classist folk I'd rather not have around, if only because less close contact with classism means less opportunities for me to throw punches and end up in jail.  :-)

On the other hand, I know for a fact that Buck Angel is a bit of a Libertarian jerk I'd rather not associate with.  Just get him talking, and he's all "bootsraps!!!"-this and that.  I'm a patient person, and his ability to strain my own is virtually effortless; and the more I hear about what an [expletive, deleted] he can and on occasion has been at private fetish parties, the more I think there are FAR more reasons than his sex work that he should not be taken as a representative of the FTM community.  Unfortunately, the the details were told to me in confidence, so I'm pretty far from being at liberty to say any more than I have.  I have no respect for him but this lack is based on nothing more than the fact that I find his personality beyond grating, to say the least.


Furthermore, Buck Angel is far from "the first FTM porn star".  Do a search for Chance Ryder/Rider -- granted, Chance was billed as a "hermaphrodite" (after all "->-bleeped-<- porn" in the early 1990s was MTF-only", so they felt they "had to" bill him as something else), but his work pre-dates Buck Angel by nearly a decade.  I also have it on good authority from Annie Sprinkle herself that her title Linda/Les & Annie is "the first hardcore FTM story" (which is what she calls her self-directed porn titles -- they're "erotic stories"), which IMDb dates for 1992.  It would not surprise me at all if Ms Sprinkle is mistaken and something else starring unnamed persons pre-dates even this one, but it would have to be pretty obscure to have gone this unnoticed and unremembered in the wake of Buck Angel.


Quote from: chrissyboy on November 08, 2009, 01:18:51 AM
Meh, you guys who commented on me can say what you like; its a hypocritical double standard I admit. But just because prostitution is a time-honored profession doesn't mean I have to applaud those that partake of it...to each their own on their professions, good for them, but I don't have to commend someone on it just because their circumstances are any different than cis people in the profession.

So no, I don't think he's "brave" or "courageous" or deserves any more commendation than anyone else doing the profession.

There's a whole continuum between applauding a person's profession and putting them down for their profession; it's not a black-and-white "you're either doing A or B" here.  Frankly, your initial post reads as if you have nothing but contempt and then some for sex-workers -- and that is where others have a problem.  Just because you've never been in a position where that was a potential or even necessary option for you doesn't give you the right to put down others who have taken that option, for whatever their reasons.  You don't have to accolade sex-workers, but if you condemn them, then you might as well just come right out and claim that you think you're better than they are, because that's typically how such contempt translates to those it's directed at.

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FlorDeLuna

Quote from: northy on November 07, 2009, 11:06:25 PM
Really when i look at him, and I've seen some clips, and whatnot..

I think he treats it like it's not his own pussy .. like it's just there.. he kinda seems to dissociate from it.



That is really interesting, but I can totally see it. Admittedly, I only watched 2 of the clips that are on his website and they are only 20 seconds long.  Gay porn doesn't do it for me.  I will say that it's kind of off putting that he refers to it as a pussy.  It's his body and he can label it as he chooses, but billing yourself as "the man with a pussy" seems... a little bit like he is trying to garner "freak show" attention.

I should say that I think he's awesome for being so comfortable with his body, NOT because he does porn.  Though... if someone likes what they do... good on them. 

I certainly didn't intend to imply that he represents the FtM community. In fact, I think a person would only have to google FtM ONCE to know completely that he is not an accurate representation of what 99% of FtM guys are all about.

**Just as a side note, I apologize profusely if I have said anything that could be considered offensive. I am still extremely new to this community and my experiences are limited. If I say soemthing out of line, please don't hesitate to call me out. :)

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Silver

Quote from: FlorDeLuna on November 08, 2009, 04:02:22 AMIt's his body and he can label it as he chooses, but billing yourself as "the man with a pussy" seems... a little bit like he is trying to garner "freak show" attention.

Agreed.
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YoungSoulRebel

Quote from: FlorDeLuna on November 08, 2009, 04:02:22 AMI will say that it's kind of off putting that he refers to it as a pussy.  It's his body and he can label it as he chooses, but billing yourself as "the man with a pussy" seems... a little bit like he is trying to garner "freak show" attention.

I find the word "pussy" kind of gross, myself, but as to how I feel about his billing as "the man with" said, honestly almost all non-mainstream or "niche" porn has that vibe, on some level.  I mean, look at all the videos featuring clinical dwarves, or fat people.  Or (these days) hairy bush vids.  Or the elderly.  Or, in all honesty, most leather/bondage/"fetish" videos.

I'm not in any way saying that it's good that he uses this billing, but just that he's normal to do it (and to make myself perfectly clear, I don't tend to have the highest opinions of "normal", and seeing as I already don't like Buck Angel on personality alone....).  But honestly, I think I'd rather see Buck's billing than something cutesy and almost-rhyming like "guy with a pie" or "man with a clam" or "hunk with ->-bleeped-<-" -- it's bad enough that MTF porn gets its own cutesy billing.

And by the way, when you offend me, I'll say so.  :-)
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Nathan.

Quote from: Miniar on November 07, 2009, 06:19:52 PM
I think he's pretty cool actually. Got nothing but respect for the man.

Same here.
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Jay

Quote from: Teknoir on November 07, 2009, 06:51:01 PM
I haven't watched any of his stuff, but I do respect the guy.

Agree'd.

Jay


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Radar

Quote from: Arch on November 07, 2009, 02:13:59 PMThe way I feel now is that nobody's ever putting anything up there ever again.
This.
"In this one of many possible worlds, all for the best, or some bizarre test?
It is what it is—and whatever.
Time is still the infinite jest."
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sneakersjay

I'm happy that Buck can be comfortable with himself and his sexuality to put himself out there.  He's a hot dude.  While I personally used that front hole in the past, I doubt I'll ever use it again with a partner.  Currently has its uses for my own penis, and because of that I'm torn about having it removed (though I can't stand it).  I"m having lower surgery at some point, likely next year when I figure out which procedure I want, because *I* don't want to be known as a "man with a pussy".


Jay


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Alex_C

I'll be doing extremely well to afford top surgery, so I guess that hole is gonna be a feature of me for the forseeable future. It would be interesting to get poked in it sometime just to see what it's like, but it's a non-sexual place for me. I was gonna say like my bellybutton but actually less so, the right person playing with my bellybutton could be fun!

Buck is too ugly for me to find him interesting to watch or as a role model, but I say horray for him. I've seen bits of his films and Meh. But he's out there doing what he likes and making a good living, that's more than I can say for myself.

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Cairus

Went ahead and looked up some of it. There are a couple of users on here bashing how ugly they think he is, but seriously, I'd be happy if I could look half as masculine as Buck Angel. He's not the prettiest fellow, but I don't think he's trying to be 'pretty'.

I believe in Buck Angel doing porn, because I think we need more ftm ->-bleeped-<- porn in general. The more acceptance/press a well known idol like Buck gets, the more commonplace ftm transporn will be, which will open up the passageway for other ftms who want to make porn, which will lead to a more varied/even keeled representation of ftms and their different interpretations of what constitutes as pleasurable sex, available on the market. So even if Buck's role in porn seems demeaning to ftms, or not something 'your average ftm' would like to do, him getting press means that other ftms can follow suit, which could help negate that little issue of one sidedness in the future.
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Miniar

I, personally, do not see "porn" as "demeaning" as it's just sex on tape. (yes, there are exceptions) And I do not see "sex" as a demeaning thing at all.



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GnomeKid

I think that it would make me really uncomfortable to watch that, and would actually probably cause me to have extreme feelings of dysphoria myself (I can't really pinpoint why, but I'm getting that vibe) 

In general though, thats his thing... to each their own and what not.
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