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Started by Britney_413, November 08, 2009, 11:00:24 PM

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Britney_413

Ok, most of us who live in the U.S. realize that a lot of our lifestyle involves debt. What makes me mad is how no matter how many times you try to be responsible about it, the banks still screw you over. Back when I was in college, I racked up $17,000 in student loan debt which luckily had a relatively low interest rate and reasonable payments. This was back in 2005. Then I later got two credit cards one of which had a relatively high interest rate while the other one had a very low rate (9.99%) guaranteed to be fixed at that rate. As the economy had continued to tank with pay raises at work basically frozen, rising costs including the gasoline hike in May 2008 and numerous expensive auto repairs naturally the credit card balances continued to get higher and higher. To top that off, I had a burglary as well as a separate theft of high dollar items only a portion of which were covered by insurance and I needed to replace the items.

So just when I'm starting to build the savings back up as I still make a fairly respectable wage, the low rate card suddenly jacks the APR to 23.99% with no notice whatsoever. I read all of the paperwork that I saved and can't find anywhere where they are allowed to do this as the original contract said it was a fixed rate and that any changes in terms would require that they notify you which they did not. I called them and they said that the banks is doing this to many accounts due to credit risk and to "maintain profitability." I was never late on any card and never went over the credit limit. All student loans have been paid on time and a lot of the times I have paid above the minimum on all debts. Then at around the same time, the higher interest rate card for no reason at all starts "chasing the balance." Now I am always over the credit limit on that card because every time I send in the payment, they lower the credit limit by that amount so I can never use the card. When the finance charges are tacked on, it always will show up on my credit report as not only a maxed-out card but consistently over the credit limit. While they don't charge any over-the-limit fee for this, I'm sure it is impacting my credit.

So I tried to go to the credit union and some other sources to get either another card or installment loan so I could transfer the balances to a lower rate and pay them off. Every time I was denied due to "high balances" and "too high percentages of debt on revolving accounts." So I basically have no credit because I can't use the cards as they are maxed out and I can't transfer the balances to another card that would actually give me a break. It also is ridiculous how I have perfect credit in the sense that I've never been late on anything and yet they start pulling this crap. Now the minimum payments have doubled and nearly tripled and because the APR is so high, virtually nothing that I pay will go to the principle balance.

Most of these same banks are receiving or have already received some of the government's bailout money and instead of passing that money on to "we the people" they instead rip everyone off further. While it is not wise to run up so much debt if possible it is also not ethical for lenders to engage in predatory practices that are designed to ensure that the debtor can never get out of debt and by then raising APRs just because they can and at the same time receiving tax-payer paid bailout money is not only unethical but should be illegal in my opinion.

My last payment on the Chase card (the one that went from 9.99% to 23.99%) was due on Nov. 4th and I have already decided to stop paying it. The Citibank card (the one that suddenly started 'chasing the balance') at least hasn't tried any of the APR tricks but I'm seriously considering whether I should stop paying all of them. The student loan interest rates are now so low that just about everything goes to principle and you have to pay those as they can't be discharged in bankruptcy. I just feel that if these megabanks are going to be receiving bailout money which is forcibly paid by the taxpayers that if they aren't going to pass that on to the consumers (i.e. We the People), then I should give the banks a taste of medicine they deserve: no more money. As far as I'm concerned this is government fraud.

If the government is going to keep bailing out the big guys while letting the people get screwed, maybe the entire country should just stop paying their mortgages, car payments, credit cards, and rent all at once and see what happens. I'm not going to live my entire life enslaved to these greedy banks. Again, I wouldn't be complaining here if these same banks weren't getting tax-paid bailout money. As someone said, "How can a bank lend to credit-worthy customers when the bank itself is not credit-worthy?" That is precisely why the government simply should have let the banks fail. People need products and services to live out their lives. People don't need banks.
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Kurzar

I hear ya on the excessive debt! Within the last 2-3yrs or so we have racked up around $120,000+ in medical bills. That isn't counting the $60,000 or so we still owe on our mortgage. I also owe around $6K in credit card bills as we had to live off them for awhile to eat.
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Julie Marie

I know your frustration.  Even with perfect credit and paying the balance in full every month, Chase lowered my line of credit and upped my interest rate.  Then a payment I sent them and was cleared by my bank they claimed they never got and froze my credit card (I only have one). 

So even though there was zero balance, if they had credited the money that had been paid from my account, I couldn't use the card.  I found this out when I went to use it for a purchase.  Nice bank to deal with, eh?

Yes, if we all got together and protested... but it will never happen.  Our tax money we worked hard for went to lending institutions who were horribly irresponsible and they used it to bail themselves out and put the screws further into us.  Our only retaliation is voting out anyone who voted to give them the money in the first place.

Julie
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LordKAT

I firmly believe that the job of any lending institution is to make sure they charge more of what they know you don't have. Even if you don't have it because you paid it all to the lending institutions.

(There is a reason they are called 'institutions')
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Linus

Have you contacted Chase about lowering the interest rate? And unfortunately, if you stop paying them you'll be hit harder in the long run. What might be better is just pay them off and then get rid of them altogether.
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myles

I recently (a few months ago) received a letter from Chase saying they were going to raise my interest rate on my credit card. One option it says you have is to call and cancel the card, this freezes the interest rate at what it currently is. It is basically the only way to "not accept" the new rate. Now I can no longer use the card but that is fine I could not afford the much higher rate they were going to give me.
Myles
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Britney_413

I appreciate everyone's support and understanding and it does not surprise me in this economy that a lot of you are going through similar (and maybe even worse) things. These letters that the banks send out to "inform you of the changes" seem to be pulling a very fine line with the laws. First of all, the only signature they have of me agreeing to any of their terms was when I opened the account. I did receive a letter but nowhere did it say the APR was changing for purchases, just cash advances and balance transfers. Unless they send such letters certified mail or require you to come in the branch and sign off on the new agreement, anyone can say they never got the letter and it ought to stand up in court.

I recently read that both Citibank and Chase (my two cards) received at least 25 billion a piece in our taxpayer-paid bailout funds that the American people also never agreed to. It seems to me that "we the people" are so far removed from any decision making in society that democracy is becoming a sick joke.

Believe it or not, the power is in the hands of the people. If I really want to do it and have the time, I could actually start demonstrations in front of banks. There are enough Americans fed up with this that a handful of people could start turning into hundreds if not thousands. There have already been demonstrations against the government's taxation without representation often known as "tea parties" and between those and some of the armed individuals at town hall meetings, it is starting to send a message. How soon that will actually change things, I don't know.

I crunched the numbers today and realized that if I stopped paying the credit cards but continued paying the student loan debts, I would have nearly $500 extra a month in cash. In these economic times when living paycheck to paycheck and having no cushion on credit and a depleted savings, it makes little sense to throw what little income you have at high interest debts that you will never pay down. There could always be the sudden unexpected emergency such as an auto repair, illness, or other situation that could throw you into a crisis. I'd rather take this extra $500 per month over say the next four months and buy silver and gold with it, stash it away and have a serious emergency fund and if need be I could then settle the credit debt at perhaps less than a third of the original balance. With precious metals on the rise, this makes more sense to me. Some may say it is irresponsible to stop paying but these are survival times. I am even way past due on an oil change simply because practically every penny is going to debts, utilities, insurance, rent, and groceries. Since the car is required to go to work, it doesn't make sense to let the engine blow up so you can keep paying the banks.

Sorry about the rant but I think some points need to be made. I am not someone who likes receiving free rides, handouts, or things of the kind. At the same time, I believe that people should be given fair opportunity. Using bailout money to provide banks with record profits while putting more Americans deeper into the recession is not only immoral, I go as far to say it is outright treason. I've already removed the two credit cards from my wallet and Chase and Citibank both can consider October's payments to be the last ones they are ever going to receive. They can deduct the debts from the bailout money if they like. Should they sue me, I will force it into a jury trial and chances are most if not all of the twelve jurors are also unhappy with their credit cards as well.
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