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Considering the military. Any advice?

Started by darius82501, November 09, 2009, 02:36:33 PM

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deviousxen

I wouldn't suggest it... Not to mention wouldn't they examine you and just reject the idea? I mean... They don't let gays in the military, why would they let someone in thats viewed as Gay 2.0 by the world?

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lisagurl

Can you pass a very detailed physical exam? I doubt they will accept you as a male. They also will not accept you if you are taking hormones. There are many closet lesbians in the military. The Military takes away most of your liberty. You might want to consider other government programs that pay your schooling loans like teaching or the Americorps.  http://www.americorps.gov/
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s1ncere

I almost joined the officers program,but since I am starting my "transition"  I don't think I am going that route anymore. And plus,why would I join  something that would discriminate me.

Military does have good benefits,but I'm pretty sure you will have no problem with any direction you take with a nursing degree. I say,follow what your guts is telling you to do.

Best wishes.
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Nicky

If anyone is wondering why this might read a little funny, I merged this with a duplicate topic within the ftm forums and all the posts from both just get put into chronological order.

Cheers
Nicki
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deviousxen

Quote from: s1ncere on November 09, 2009, 07:59:31 PM
I almost joined the officers program,but since I am starting my "transition"  I don't think I am going that route anymore. And plus,why would I join  something that would discriminate me.

Military does have good benefits,but I'm pretty sure you will have no problem with any direction you take with a nursing degree. I say,follow what your guts is telling you to do.

Best wishes.

They didn't cover someone I knows dental... He had a comic table on his down time and had an abscess in his mouth all the time he was there.
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s1ncere

Quote from: Kara-Xen on November 09, 2009, 09:13:54 PM
They didn't cover someone I knows dental... He had a comic table on his down time and had an abscess in his mouth all the time he was there.

Really? I actually grew up as a military kid. My step father is in the military and I was his dependent.
I think its about 80% they cover for certain procedures.I had to pull out my wisdom teeth and a root canal,a couple of crowns and we had to pay partial.I'm not sure if we paid for the root canal...They cover standard stuff like office visits,fillings,cleaning/polishing,x-rays,etc.
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Hannah

Quote from: Kara-Xen on November 09, 2009, 06:39:12 PM
They don't let gays in the military, why would they let someone in thats viewed as Gay 2.0 by the world?

This is the most awesome thing I've read in a while. Gay 2.0, oh gosh, lol.
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deviousxen

Quote from: Becca on November 09, 2009, 09:58:00 PM
This is the most awesome thing I've read in a while. Gay 2.0, oh gosh, lol.

I'm not going to lie.. Its just an observation I've made... Lol.

One of many horrible horrible observations that are just so horrible they make you laugh.
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V M

The Air Force is part of the Army. The Marines are part of the Navy. All have their elite groups.

Being accepted into Air Force officers school is no exception. You must be rather intelligent to get accepted there. There is a tendency to protect those they will accept.

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tekla

You don't go into the military because you want a better job when you get out, or because you need money for college, or because you think it will help you grow up, or straighten you out, or any other outside reason.  You go in because you want to serve your nation by subjecting yourself to that nation's military culture which though evil by nature is necessary for the very existence of the state.

Good soldiers know that from the get go and it makes a whole lot of it hella easier to get through.  Some of what people above has said is kinda close to the truth.  But in reality none of it comes close because the military is a separate culture, one that relies on itself, one that is pretty much closed to outsiders (the military sees the entire world as military or not - solider or civilian, to them its the only distinction worth noting).  Military life is traditional, with roots going back to Greece and Rome.  Weapons change, sort of, nations and states and empires come and go, military life really doesn't change all that much in time or space.  Being a solider in the American Military is much closer to being a Russian solider, than either solider is to being a civilian, and both share a culture where that reality has always been pretty much true.  They would understand the rhythm and nature of the Roman Legions more than they would that of Rome itself. 

And no matter if you are a nurse, a chaplain, a med-tech, or a clerk typist, you are a solider first and foremost, everything else comes second to that.  If you don't want to be a solider, and end up - as often happens to soldiers - in a war where people you don't know are trying to kill you, as you try to kill them you might want to rethink.  We are waging two different wars, and neither seems to working its way to an ending any time soon. So its something to think about.

People talk a lot about the kind of mind control, and there is some retraining, but most of the the mind control is in the form of groupthink on the part of the officer corps. The guy who fixes jeeps in the motor pool doesn't have to be 'sold' on the mission or the strategy or tactics, all he has to do is fix the vehicles.  But the officers have to all be on the same page.  And there is - this is the culture deal working - a real stress placed on getting everyone on the same page and keeping them there. 

All the military officers I knew and taught were constantly among the best and brightest students and people I've ever known.  They are as a class, highly educated, extremely motivated, and personally driven people.  They also share another common characteristic, they believe 100% without waiver or doubt in what they are doing.   


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darius82501

Quote from: tekla on November 10, 2009, 12:38:41 AM
You don't go into the military because you want a better job when you get out, or because you need money for college, or because you think it will help you grow up, or straighten you out, or any other outside reason.  You go in because you want to serve your nation by subjecting yourself to that nation's military culture which though evil by nature is necessary for the very existence of the state.

Good soldiers know that from the get go and it makes a whole lot of it hella easier to get through.  Some of what people above has said is kinda close to the truth.  But in reality none of it comes close because the military is a separate culture, one that relies on itself, one that is pretty much closed to outsiders (the military sees the entire world as military or not - solider or civilian, to them its the only distinction worth noting).  Military life is traditional, with roots going back to Greece and Rome.  Weapons change, sort of, nations and states and empires come and go, military life really doesn't change all that much in time or space.  Being a solider in the American Military is much closer to being a Russian solider, than either solider is to being a civilian, and both share a culture where that reality has always been pretty much true.  They would understand the rhythm and nature of the Roman Legions more than they would that of Rome itself. 

And no matter if you are a nurse, a chaplain, a med-tech, or a clerk typist, you are a solider first and foremost, everything else comes second to that.  If you don't want to be a solider, and end up - as often happens to soldiers - in a war where people you don't know are trying to kill you, as you try to kill them you might want to rethink.  We are waging two different wars, and neither seems to working its way to an ending any time soon. So its something to think about.

People talk a lot about the kind of mind control, and there is some retraining, but most of the the mind control is in the form of groupthink on the part of the officer corps. The guy who fixes jeeps in the motor pool doesn't have to be 'sold' on the mission or the strategy or tactics, all he has to do is fix the vehicles.  But the officers have to all be on the same page.  And there is - this is the culture deal working - a real stress placed on getting everyone on the same page and keeping them there. 

All the military officers I knew and taught were constantly among the best and brightest students and people I've ever known.  They are as a class, highly educated, extremely motivated, and personally driven people.  They also share another common characteristic, they believe 100% without waiver or doubt in what they are doing.

Tekla,

Thank you for your response. It is nice to hear from others who either served or worked with those who did. I did not mean to offend anyone at all, I am simply looking for advice. I am seriously considering the military because, yes there are monetary benefits, but also because I want to help others. I considered the peace corp, but after speaking with a recruiter and others who have served the air force seemed a better overall fit. I do want to serve or else I would not even be considering this.

I am extremely educated and intelligent, hence why the officer training program would be good for me. I am not afraid to be deployed, that would be part of my job and duty and I understand this. Can I be a part of the culture? that is the question

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Quote from: s1ncere on November 09, 2009, 07:59:31 PM
I almost joined the officers program,but since I am starting my "transition"  I don't think I am going that route anymore. And plus,why would I join  something that would discriminate me.

Military does have good benefits,but I'm pretty sure you will have no problem with any direction you take with a nursing degree. I say,follow what your guts is telling you to do.

Best wishes.

S1ncere,
The military does provide a benefit I cannot get by just simply being a civilian nurse, money fro tuition repayment. I would like to travel and help people. I have not yet began the process of transition. I have everything I need to begin, but have yet to find a great time to do so. I have been in school for 7 years getting two degrees. Not much time for anything else.

Quote from: K8 on November 09, 2009, 06:02:21 PM
Brady,
I spent 24 years in the military.  I was married to two different women who both knew I was a cross-dresser.  I had to repress a lot of it, but I was good at doing that.  (Now I'm paying the price, trying to peel all that off, but that's another story.)

I wasn't in the Air Force but was stationed with AF for a while.  I think as a nurse you would have a little more leeway than otherwise (being in the medical field and an officer), but you would have to be very discreet if you date women.  You would not be able to date any enlisted person – male or female.  It can be kind of a crap shoot because you just have to run into one real a$$h01e who finds out too much to ruin everything.  I've heard of pogroms in the nursing corps (bunch of lesbians, doncha know?), but that may be a thing of the past.

It will help you to be well-liked and exceedingly competent, but I saw several gay men cashiered even though they were 4.0 (highest rating).  I also knew a couple that had to keep their dating secret until one of them got out because she was an officer and he a senior enlisted.  (But I knew they were dating, as did several others.)

Serving in the armed forces can be very rewarding.  It can also drive you crazy because of how much of yourself you have to suppress.

Good luck to you, whatever you decide.

- Kate

Kate,
Thanks for responding. I have heard from many and the advice is either don't do it cause you will have to hide everything or do it and you will be fine. It is sad I am having to debate the decision because of something like this. The lifestyle I think I could adjust too. From what I understand, being in the health professions in the air force is a little different than being in another branch. I am not afraid of discipline or hard work. As I have said in previous posts, I am not afraid of being deployed. If I sign up, then that is what I am signing up for, there is nothing to complain about. If I can join and not completely close myself off or not date, i think I will be fine.

Quote from: lisagurl on November 09, 2009, 07:10:22 PM
Can you pass a very detailed physical exam? I doubt they will accept you as a male. They also will not accept you if you are taking hormones. There are many closet lesbians in the military. The Military takes away most of your liberty. You might want to consider other government programs that pay your schooling loans like teaching or the Americorps.  http://www.americorps.gov/

I can pass a physical exam. But thanks for thinking I couldn't!! lol I am not on hormones yet. I can start whenever I feel I am ready, but have not reached that point yet. I have considered the peace corp, but they do fairly thorough mental health examinations. Also, they really do not pay well for what you give. I will look into americorps though thank you
Brady

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Hannah

The idea of having something in common with a Centurion kind of made me think, but yes, I can agree. Interesting concept. The thing is though as our empire crumbles values like national service, honor, and even duty are taking a back seat to "what's in it for me". The evolution of the high tech military is a delusion, the kids on the ground being shot are still overwhelmingly the children of the lower class trying to escape, and with military service not
looking like much of an escape at the moment, along with that decline in values, of course they are going to sweeten the deal.
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Dana Lane

It sounds to me you are seriously thinking about your future and going into the military seems like it would be a good idea to help get you back on your feet and have a great resume to start with when you get out. I was in the Navy myself. 3 years isn't that long when you compare it to your whole life. I wish you luck in whatever you decided. Please update us!
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K8

The "mind control" is to get an individual to work in a group and to operate for the benefit of the group first, and you the individual second.  That's needed in combat and in many other situations you find yourself in when part of the military.  In our modern American culture it can be a difficult adjustment for some.  But is very far from forcing Groupthink.  We were always encouraged to use our native intelligence and think for ourselves, but think of our comrades before ourselves.

I saw my years in the military as a form of community service.  There were benefits and hardships, just as in many professions.  Being a nurse or a fire fighter or law enforcement officer or something else are forms of community service.  I seemed to fit into the service (after some adjustment :P).

The military is a separate culture.  Those who haven't experienced it often have no real understanding of it.  (Sound familiar, all you TGs?)

I'm not sure about the Centurians, but yes, it was important that we all were on the same page and were committed to our task.  There is a way of doing that while retaining your individual identity but it often takes a little while to learn how.

Just an old retired warrior/sailor lady,
Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Hannah

We might as well face it Kate we are Gay Centurions 2.0
Oh god that's still tickling me a day later :D
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Konnor

About the dating part...as an AF officer, you will have a lot more leeway than enlisted personnel. They generally have much better housing and can live off base. You also generally get left alone more as long as you do your job...meaning everyone isn't checking up on you all the time. You can get away with dating women as long as you're discreet about it and don't make it well known. Some people will probably figure it out, but I'm pretty sure unless they have "proof" of your homosexuality or a direct admission from you, they can't discharge you for it. I'm pretty sure that's how it works in AF, someone correct me if I'm wrong. So, I'm just trying to say, don't NOT go in if dating is your only concern. If you think you can adapt to military life, go back into the "woman" closet for 3 more years, and date discreetly, you sound like you'll be fine. It's a big decision though.

--Konnor
"It takes more courage to reveal insecurities than to hide them, more strength to relate to people than to dominate them, more manhood to abide by thought-out principles rather than blind reflex. Toughness is in the soul and spirit, not in muscles and an immature mind." --Alex Karras
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Wesley_33

Its a hard choice no matter your lifestyle. There are good and bad things to the military just like any job. Only you can decide which out weighs the other. I understand the want to get your college paid off. The guy that works for me came into the military for just that reason. If you can adapt to what is asked of you for three years than its worth the time to me.

What is the most beautiful in virile men is something feminine; what is most beautiful in feminine women is something masculine.



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Keroppi

Re dating, who knows, BO might actually get rid of Don't Ask, Don't Tell and have the military actually openly accept homosexual. Yeah, I know you think of yourself as a straight male, but having the military openly accept transsexual might be one hope too many yet. :(
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cynthialee

I did a stint in the Army for a couple years. They do not apreciate or respect people outside of the norm. It was hell for me. The overiding idea of my buddys seemed to be that I was a wimp so I needed to be toughened up. Any atypical behaivor is met with critisim and outright hostility.
You will have to stay very deep in the closet to not attract attention. I personaly do not think the militarty is a good option for a TG person. But that is my opinion bassed on my service time, you experiance will not necsearaliy be mine.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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sd

Quote from: tekla on November 10, 2009, 12:38:41 AM
You don't go into the military because you want a better job when you get out, or because you need money for college, or because you think it will help you grow up, or straighten you out, or any other outside reason.  You go in because you want to serve your nation by subjecting yourself to that nation's military culture which though evil by nature is necessary for the very existence of the state.

Good soldiers know that from the get go and it makes a whole lot of it hella easier to get through.  Some of what people above has said is kinda close to the truth.  But in reality none of it comes close because the military is a separate culture, one that relies on itself, one that is pretty much closed to outsiders (the military sees the entire world as military or not - solider or civilian, to them its the only distinction worth noting).  Military life is traditional, with roots going back to Greece and Rome.  Weapons change, sort of, nations and states and empires come and go, military life really doesn't change all that much in time or space.  Being a solider in the American Military is much closer to being a Russian solider, than either solider is to being a civilian, and both share a culture where that reality has always been pretty much true.  They would understand the rhythm and nature of the Roman Legions more than they would that of Rome itself. 

And no matter if you are a nurse, a chaplain, a med-tech, or a clerk typist, you are a solider first and foremost, everything else comes second to that.  If you don't want to be a solider, and end up - as often happens to soldiers - in a war where people you don't know are trying to kill you, as you try to kill them you might want to rethink.  We are waging two different wars, and neither seems to working its way to an ending any time soon. So its something to think about.

People talk a lot about the kind of mind control, and there is some retraining, but most of the the mind control is in the form of groupthink on the part of the officer corps. The guy who fixes jeeps in the motor pool doesn't have to be 'sold' on the mission or the strategy or tactics, all he has to do is fix the vehicles.  But the officers have to all be on the same page.  And there is - this is the culture deal working - a real stress placed on getting everyone on the same page and keeping them there. 

All the military officers I knew and taught were constantly among the best and brightest students and people I've ever known.  They are as a class, highly educated, extremely motivated, and personally driven people.  They also share another common characteristic, they believe 100% without waiver or doubt in what they are doing.
You must have been teaching Marines or Army.

My experience in the Air Force was 180 degrees opposite of what you just said. To all of it.
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