Transsexual Muslima

[maidenprincess]

Asalaamu Alaikum.

I am now in a place where I am comfortable and happy in my womanhood. Then I found Islam. It feels right to me. The God I had prayed to all my life finally called to me one day and I realized that I had been Muslim all along. But does this religion accept someone like me? That is the struggle I find within myself now. I cannot back down from being female, and I cannot denounce my faith in Allah subhanu wa ta'ala!!! I will not do either. Where do I fit in this grand scheme of things as a Muslim transgender? What is God's plan for me? Why did He send me on these paths??

While I'm most blessed and happy that I have finally found the truth and right path... I cannot help but feel that being transgender is going to prove difficult in my relationships with other Muslims. I know mukhannathuns are referenced in the Qur'an, Hadith, and Surrah, but is there a place for us here?

I would not have become a follower of Islam had I not truly believed in the Shahada.  And I would not have transitioned had I not felt I was really a woman inside.  All of what I do is because I believe it to be so.  How do I handle the brothers and sisters who cannot accept? 

[Janet_Girl]

In the same way we handle all those who do not accept us.  Through pray and faith.  Faith in ones self, in our decision and in our personal gods.  May you find those among your faith that will be accepting.



Blessed Be
Hugs and Love
Janet

[maidenprincess]

Jazakallah Janet (May God reward you!) for your support.  I am trying to be strong!

[Janet_Girl]

That is all we are ask.  To be strong.



Blessed Be
Hugs and Love
Janet

[accord03]

In the koran - It supports and believes in transexuality but believes homosexuality is a sin.

Iran and Afghan government actually pays half of your surgery cost cause they'd rather have people who change and like the opposite sex then have two people of the same sex.

[Fenrir]

I really disagree with what those governments are doing though. For most of these people it means having to choose between having someone you love and having your body feel right. These people are purposefully given gender dysphoria needlessly, just so that their governments can pretend to uphold Quranic laws. And people who have transitioned are really discriminated against in those countries anyway. It's a lose-lose situation, really. 

[rejennyrated]

And people who have transitioned are really discriminated against in those countries anyway. It's a lose-lose situation, really. 

Not entirely I feel - if you are genuinely transsexual, happy in a hetero relationship after your SRS, and have a suitable partner who is willing to marry you then it could be tolerable. (or at least a lot better than being trans in a country where they take a different view and ban SRS.)

I've often joked with Alison that if the west ever went ultra right wing we would just have to disolve our civil partnership, go to Iran and find two nice men who wanted obedient and willing wives

Out of curiousity I asked an imam that I know of what is the position as regards someone who has had SRS who then joins the Islamic faith, and they were of the opinion that one would be accepted as one was the time of conversion - that is after SRS as a woman. All that would be required would be to keep the observances of modesty required of all women. Although, from my western point of view, it would not be my first choice, it is something I could live with if I had to do so as the price of being female.

[Little Dragon]

Hmm what is the official islamic opinion on transsexuals? Because I've found, using google.com, that a lot of muslims can't tolerate us :\ I think since some islamic states actually help pay for transsexuals transition, they must be rather tolerant of us..

[accord03]

My GF is a muslim and I hope to convert one day.

From what I've seen and read, they do allow transexuals but like I said they don't allow homosexuality. I'm sure they can tolerate someone whos undergone SRS cause the governments even pay for it. After transition, you're completly seen as a male or a female. Like every other religion and ethnic, there would be people who are against is but there is no law in Islam saying a transexuality is a sin.

[confused]

i was born muslim but i converted to agnostic , however i have more than fair information about that subject

now there are two major sects in Islam : Sunni (the majority in arab countries), and sheia (the majority in Iran ,Iraq and Lebanon )

in quran there's no mention whatsoever of transgendered people , however there are some verses that prohibit "change in god's creation" (4:119) , and sunnies hence claim that transsexualism is a sin , unliss you were born intersexed (because in that case it's a medical condition , which in my point of view shows a total misunderstanding of GID by the scholars)

in the other hand shia as was said before allow it

and anyway , even if you were sunni , since you started transition before you become muslim then in any sect's point of view your doing nothing wrong , and even if you were in the middle of it you should continue to the end

as for the accepting part , being a transsexual right now , is something that a lot of people do not accept , especially sunnies , so it's up to you to tell them that your ts or not if you pass 100% woman .
good luck

[Little Dragon]

so it's up to you to tell them that your ts or not if you pass 100% woman .

LOL Thats not going to be hard to do wearing a Hijab!

[confused]

LOL Thats not going to be hard to do wearing a Hijab!

lol  yeah it's not that easy

[Little Dragon]

lol  yeah it's not that easy

How so, sis?

(PS, I know that the arabic for "brother" is Akhi, what is "sister" )

[confused]

well , i mean hair usually is not the biggest problem , even if you don't wear hijabi you can wear wig if the hair was too bad or too short , although wearing a vale would be a different story , easily pass 100%
and btw , the new avatar is so cool , okhti (arabic for sis ^_^ )

[kyril]

well, from what I understand the word 'hijab' is colloquially used to mean the head covering but really applies to all-over modest dress - most styles of proper hijab generally soften and camouflage body shape characteristics.

But it does draw attention to the face, which can be a negative. You certainly could never pass in hijab without electrolysis unless you veil (and then you'd have to put a lot of work into your eyes/eyebrows and your posture and movement). The more identifying attributes of your body you cover or conceal, the more people pay attention to the ones they can see.

[confused]

well, from what I understand the word 'hijab' is colloquially used to mean the head covering but really applies to all-over modest dress - most styles of proper hijab generally soften and camouflage body shape characteristics.

But it does draw attention to the face, which can be a negative. You certainly could never pass in hijab without electrolysis unless you veil (and then you'd have to put a lot of work into your eyes/eyebrows and your posture and movement). The more identifying attributes of your body you cover or conceal, the more people pay attention to the ones they can see.

true and informative even for me , thanks

[Little Dragon]

and btw , the new avatar is so cool , okhti (arabic for sis ^_^ )

Ah, okay Okhti! Eeee! Thanks for the compliament! I made it myself in photoshop I think the arabic fo rmy name is Al'taneen Safirun ^_^

well, from what I understand the word 'hijab' is colloquially used to mean the head covering but really applies to all-over modest dress - most styles of proper hijab generally soften and camouflage body shape characteristics.

Ah, I thought the veil was called the Hijab xD I once thought I could wear a hijab and veil if i ever visit arabic/urdu countries
Post Merge: May 23, 2010, 07:38:58 PM

and btw , the new avatar is so cool , okhti (arabic for sis ^_^ )

Ah, okay Okhti! Eeee! Thanks for the compliament! I made it myself in photoshop I think the arabic fo rmy name is Al'taneen Safirun ^_^

well, from what I understand the word 'hijab' is colloquially used to mean the head covering but really applies to all-over modest dress - most styles of proper hijab generally soften and camouflage body shape characteristics.

Ah, I thought the veil was called the Hijab xD I once thought I could wear a hijab and veil if i ever visit arabic/urdu countries

[Fenrir]

Not entirely I feel - if you are genuinely transsexual, happy in a hetero relationship after your SRS, and have a suitable partner who is willing to marry you then it could be tolerable. (or at least a lot better than being trans in a country where they take a different view and ban SRS.)

Sorry, I wasn't very clear! I didn't mean that it was bad for people who actually are transgendered. I reckon that most of the gay people in Iran aren't, so by transitioning they lose their own identity, and if they don't they lose the opportunity to have someone they love. The being discriminated against regardless of what the government says was just an extra note.

The hijab is the hair covering (face exposed). When you can only see the eyes, that's called a niqab. Burqa is full covering. What extent you go to with covering yourself really depends on your interpretation, I know plenty of muslim girls who go without any of these. 

[rejennyrated]

Yes I myself have worn the Hijab on many ocassions, in particular, out of respect, when visting with muslim friends. I find I quite like it, if you are in a liberal situation where you can choose coloured and paterned ones they can look very elegant and stylish.

The niqab and burqa are indeed a very different proposition. I think i would find those oppressive and difficult, but for me the Hijab iteslf does not really seem so.

[Fenrir]

I dunno, I had a friend that wore a niqab (which worried her family, who all thought it looked extremist  ) and she said she found it very liberating that people were not able to judge by her physical appearance. Of course, I think in the UK that is negated a bit by the unusualness of the niqab itself, but I do see her point in that it frees you from pressures to be attractive and all that. Of course, in countries, communities or families where it is enforced for women to wear it, it is oppressive no matter whether it's a simple hijab or a full burqa.
And yes, hijabis can look very stylish! It was the one part of school uniform that could be any colour you liked, it was nice. One of my other friends used to dye her hair all sorts of crazy colours because she could just hide it with her hijab and no-one would know the difference.